Babylon 5 Ratings

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Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-06 05:03:34 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

AcDec…all I can say is that you should talk sometime behind closed doors, as I have, with many of the writers and producers who have worked, and still work, on the various ST versions, who WANT to tell stories with teeth, that challenge, but who are prevented from doing so by the suits eager to preserve ST as an inoffensive franchise. Sorry, but the logic still parses.

jms
Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-06 15:30:26 EDT
From: KS EMG
Posted on: America Online

I am so glad that B5 is going on strong. I too was scared by Bruce’s comments. I immeadiately told everyone to write letters to WB, local stations, & networks. Also I am glad that JMS takes time to post notes to boards to talk with his fans. B5 shouldn’t be in any danger with the amount of Web sites. I urge everyone to keep the support up. I would hate to loose such a fresh Sci-fi show.

KS EMG

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-06 16:28:47 EDT
From: ChetDsmond
Posted on: America Online

thats the way JMS! tell it like it ‘TIS 😉
loyal B5 fan
david

Subj: To: jms at BF5
Date: 95-12-07 01:06:21 EDT
From: BUDD 4 ART
Posted on: America Online

Dear jms:
In my opinion BABYLON 5 is more cerebral than DS9, I was especially drawn to it from the beginning (but I hated the intro line “the name of the place is…BABYLON 5, which has been recently changed with your new season’s intro). I love all the exotic aliens and their specific cultures.In my TV coverage area B5 follows DS9 and it keeps me glued to UPN for most of the night. I think the episode on JACK the RIPPER was one of the best Sci-Fi episodes ever. It rivals the Borg segment on STNG. Absolutely brilliant writing and acting on all parts, especially the guy who played the Inquisitor/Jack. Hope you bring him back in a future episode. I am a looking forward to the inevitable look/see at the Shadows as they actually look. Don’t let your imagination be limited here. We B5 fans can handle it. Gotta go, B5 is coming on right now.

Subj: b5 needs helpRe:B5 is best!!
Date: 95-12-07 03:25:52 EDT
From: ESBEGATOR
Posted on: America Online

I am a b5 fan. but is sometimes think the story
could use somemore pizzaz like therehabilation of londo. and alot more confrontation
in space. I think sometimes they forget the main reason people watch are the special effects and the
battles beyond.

Subj: Re:b5 needs helpRe:B5 is bes
Date: 95-12-07 10:23:28 EDT
From: ZenGEOS
Posted on: America Online

Well..

While I like my share of special effects, etc… My main reason for watching Sci Fi is the general imagination used to create it. Special effects don’t take lots of imagination compared to the creation of an entire culture, or multiple cultures, then to continue broadening the entire culture from the initial creation. B% does this well.

Mark-
Subj: Re:b5 needs helpRe:B5 is bes
Date: 95-12-07 11:44:22 EDT
From: GWRepBobby
Posted on: America Online

“I think sometimes they forget the main reason people watch are the special effects and the battles beyond.”

Perhaps that is why you watch it, and there is nothing wrong with that, I really don’t think that is why most people watch it. You just cannot get by on special effects alone. Without a compelling story and interesting characters you can have the best SF in the world and it won’t mean I thing. I think that is where Space is right now. They spent so much time and effort on the spectacular special effects that the whole whole suffered, at the beginning I mean. Since then they have been working on the background and it is improving from week to week. Don’t get me wrong, I like Space, I just think they are having a little balancing trouble. As a matter of fact, you can get away with special effects that aren’t that great if you have good stories. I usually site Dr Who here, but, let me instead mention the original Star Trek. Most of the effects were pretty cheesie, even for the standards of the time. The reason it hasn’t ben consigned to TV history is because of the quality of the stories.

Subj: Why I watch
Date: 95-12-07 14:26:17 EDT
From: Lisala
Posted on: America Online

I love the visual appeal of the show, but for the first two years I listened to it more than I watched it, because I was using a very small B and W tv. I think the characters and the narrative are more important, to me, than FX. Now that were in re-runs, try just listening to the show. Notice how all the characters sound different in terms of the words they use and the syntax of their sentences. Listen carefully; there’s a lot of implication and innuendo (ask yourself what Kosh and Delenn really mean). Notice the beauty of the soundtrack, and the background noise.

I must admit that the real reason I think the show works so well comes down to the traditional story tellers’ mysterious art. It’s good stuff.

I finally feel like my generation has a mythic cycle to point to, to incorporate into popular culture and one that will appeal to a large number of people. I’ve been jealous of those who reached adolescence in the sixties (it just didn’t seem fair to have J.R.R. Tolkein, the Beatles, Trek. Though they did have Vietnam…hmmm); now I feel a bit better.

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 95-12-07 19:26:21 EDT
From: BFurlong
Posted on: America Online

Greetings!
B5 is likely my favorite show on network TV. I live in Chicago and it plays Teusdays at 8pm so it must be doing well in my area. I sure would hate to see it go.
Brian

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 95-12-07 21:09:27 EDT
From: NOWINTER
Posted on: America Online

To TC ART and REDDGATOR…..I couldnot agree more!!!!! I have been a fan since the orginal airing of STAR TREK, the beginning…….B5 and Harlan Ellison can’t be touched. It’s the only show on the tube that I refuse to miss!!

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 95-12-08 00:11:10 EDT
From: Catwomanh3
Posted on: America Online

I am stuck watching B5 at midnight on Sunday night. Do you have any idea how long the show was on before I accidently found it? If they moved it to a decent time and advertised it a wee bit, the show would go monster.

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 95-12-08 00:17:30 EDT
From: KeB7460771
Posted on: America Online

B5 is not promoted enough, especially in Canada. It was on a local station for a while but dropped after year 1. Now I get it on Saturday afternoons on an American station. When this season started I had to search each day in the TV times for which channel was going to carry it. There is absolutely nothing promotion wise.

Beef up the public interest! Get out the PR people.

Subj: Great Show
Date: 95-12-08 00:20:27 EDT
From: FAC Smith
Posted on: America Online

Have I been missing a great show. Our local stations never carried B5 so my sister has to tape B5 for us and mail it. Does anyone know if B5 is on the DSS or PrimeStar systems?

Subj: Bad Ratings St.Louis
Date: 95-12-08 00:37:04 EDT
From: RonaldG365
Posted on: America Online

As of Jan. 1.1996 B5 is canceled on channel 11 in the St.Louis metro area because of
what they call bad ratings.Bullshit!!! The only possible reason for this is the time slots in which they show it.C’mon guys late nite on Saturday and even later on Sunday.If you live in the St.Louis
area and want B5 to continue to be shown in your area write or call the station and tell them! It is possible to change this if enough people complain!
Ron Greenwell

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 95-12-08 12:04:21 EDT
From: Stevenror
Posted on: America Online

B5 is great ds9 and vor have also lost my attn. where do we sent our comments to about the show.

 

Subj: B5, ratings, and Pamela Lee
Date: 95-12-08 16:42:16 EDT
From: Nethicus
Posted on: America Online

Come on, JMS! We know you want to cave in to sensationalism! Just have Pamela Lee show up, dressed up in a skimpy Centauri lifeguarding suit, dive out an airlock, in slow motion, with rock music playing, to do an “exciting” rescue scene.

Just kidding of course. I have to admit that I prefer having B5 as a syndicated show rather than a network show. Some of us remember the demise of Twin Peaks. And I remember something some friends of mine said when I tried to get them to watch it. “Who are these people? What happened last season? I’m lost.” And it’s something a few friends of mine and I have been wondering– are we ever going to get the first season on video tape or replayed on PTEN or, *gasp*, the USA network? (I hesitate to say the Sci-Fi network because getting cable companys to put the Sci-FI network up is like convincing that camel the eye of the needle isn’t all that small.) It would be great to get the first season released on video tape so I could get my other friends hooked on it.

Mike

Subj: Re:B5, B&B & Pamela Lee
Date: 95-12-08 20:31:03 EDT
From: Badinov
Posted on: America Online

>>Come on, JMS! We know you want to cave in to sensationalism! Just have Pamela Lee show up, dressed up in a skimpy Centauri lifeguarding suit, dive out an airlock, in slow motion, with rock music playing, to do an “exciting” rescue scene.<<

heh heh heh heh, yeah! that would be cool! B5 rules! heh heh heh heh heh. and then like, you could like, have the Ms. Galaxy contest where each race gets to show off their hottest babes in a totally diverse sort of way! heh heh heh heh yeah! that would rule!

umm, I don’t think so. Keep resisting the temptation to pander to the LCD!

8-)…

Badinov

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-08 22:24:16 EDT
From: MCHHOME
Posted on: America Online

We are lucky here in D.C. area also. The local Paramount-owned station (WDCA-20) shows B5 in prime time (Wed. 8:00PM) just before weekly episode of ST-DS9. Best TV night of the week!!

Subj: Ratings and the Populace
Date: 95-12-09 00:21:10 EDT
From: Skelebot
Posted on: America Online

OK, I’m still in high school, and it seems to me that I’m the only person in the school who watched EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of B5. Therefore people who know that trival fact come to me with questions like “Why are the lizard dudes (Narn) getting their butt kicked by the wierd hair mutants (Centauri)?” I mean everybody with a B5 comment (sucks, OK, better than Trek, etc. etc.) comes to me and talks about it. The reason B5 has bad ratings is beacuse nobody understands B5 by just watching JUST ONE EPISODE! JMS, please make an episode that is “stands alone” so others can understand what’s going along and having a chance to like it. B5 has low ratings beacuse thare are few people (like myself) that have watched EVERY SINGLE EPISODE and that select few are practally 90% of all B5 fans.

Skelebot, the Avatar of B5 information of Mission San Jose High School in Fremont, California

Subj: Re:Why I watch
Date: 95-12-09 02:03:00 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Lisala: Thanks. We try to emphasize the voice of the storyteller as much as possible, that we are creating…well, I don’t want to say creating new mythologies, because I don’t think they are really created, they stretch back to the foundations of civilization, and show up repeatedly in works of literature…but reinterpreting and reinventing and clarifying the structure of myth for a new generation.

jms
Subj: Re:Why I watch
Date: 95-12-09 12:56:55 EDT
From: JMCraine
Posted on: America Online

I’m 37, married, two Master Degrees and I’m PISSED! Went to watch B5 last Sunday night (In Boston UPN 38 has aired the program Sunday’s at 8:00 — NOT the best time slot considering the network competition) and it had been preempted by hockey. Now I have nothing against hockey but unfortunately for me I have an addiction to this program. This is absolutely one of the best written shows on television and the relatively complicated plot lines keep the show moving along from week to week. I loved the twist when the Earth Alliance signed the non-aggression pact with the Centauri (shades of WWII and Neville Chamberlain – “We will have peace in our time”).

After desperately searching the local listing to determine when the program would be aired I finally found it listed for Sunday morning — at 2:00 AM!!!!! Tonight I get my fix! But if anyone from Boston is out there PLEASE voice your opinion to channel 38. This is one of only two shows that I make a point to watch every week. The other is This Old House and that airs 3 days a week. Thanks for listening/reading.

Subj: Re:Why I watch
Date: 95-12-09 13:32:20 EDT
From: Ltinglof
Posted on: America Online

have been writing WB and my local station with regularity about the excellent B-5. Don’t intend to quit, either. the only way to make sure they know how people feel is to tell them! Lois

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-09 23:06:01 EDT
From: Jacob157
Posted on: America Online

the show comes on at 11 p.m. on sudnay night here. it’s a tough time to follow but thank God for vcr’s.

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 95-12-10 01:30:47 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

Many of us here in the Northeast are also disturbed by the bad status of ratings for B5. Methinks it is
deliberate, because this is a series with intellectual
merit-a dangerous thing in this age of censorship and
mediocrity. We agree with the need to band together
and keep up the fight for B5. Lets link up.

Subj: Re:Ratings and the Populace
Date: 95-12-10 22:11:34 EDT
From: ExCretan
Posted on: America Online

<JMS, please make an episode that is “stands alone” so others can understand what’s going along and having a chance to like it.
Skelebot,>
He has, actually – And Now For A Word… does an excellent job, IMHO, of mentioning all the characters, showing what had happened up to that point, and also telling a story on its own. (That’s the episode that got me hooked, btw – the PsiCorps commercial had me rolling…)

As JMS has said before, all of the episodes should “stand alone”; some of them do it better than others, is all.

Pat Bowman

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-11 19:51:11 EDT
From: JS CJ428
Posted on: America Online

We are lucky here in the DC area, except that last week and according to the TV guide this week we are getting reruns. What is happening?? jim

Subj: Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-12 01:06:50 EDT
From: Elyce102
Posted on: America Online

The first year of B5 wasn’t all that interesting. But this season has been great! The storyline is the best I’ve seen in years. It’s not Trek, but why should it be another clone. Portland, Oregon shows B5 every Thursday evening before 10pm. Ratings are phoney-bologney. I’ve been telling my friends about the show and now many are watching it.

So…..maybe a letter writting campaign is in order…or an e-mail campaing!

Subj: Goodbye Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-12 10:07:09 EDT
From: Posti
Posted on: America Online

After starting the season late (despite having four of last season’s episodes held over) Babylon 5 has gone into reruns after showing only four new episodes. Bad enough that this season started with mediocre scripts that ruined the tension and excitement established by the ‘lost” four episodes from last season. Now we are expected to wait three months to see shows that should have already been aired.
PigDog has chastised critics to be patient with the ‘story arch’ of Babylon 5’s plot line, saying that great things were coming. Well, the ‘arch’ seems to be more a strip tease than dramatic development: show a little, make ’em beg for more.
I for one am tired of waiting – waiting for the show to reach the promised level of action, waiting for ‘background’ epsiodes to end, and most of all – waiting for new epsiodes. In my case, absense does -not- make the heart grow fonder. It simply kills my interest.
When Babylon Five reappears in February, I may or may not bother to watch. From an avid fan and supporter of the series, I have been forced by bad planning and scheduling to relegate the series to the “Could Have Been Great” list – where it will share memorial space with “Earth 2″ and “Seaquest DSV.”

Subj: B5 WILL NOT be cancelled!!!
Date: 95-12-12 13:33:38 EDT
From: FAdmWalker
Posted on: America Online

I dont have time to read all the messages and the rumors about B5 going off the air, because I know that it’s not true. Let me put y’alls minds to ease.

Babylon 5 is NOT going off the air until the 5 year arc is over. JMS has fought over a solid 5 year contract that prohibits the cancelation of the show regardless of the ratings. We are now in season 3. When season 5 is over, the show will go into syndication on TBS or TNN or some other cable channel (couresy of Lurker’s Guide at http://www.hyperion.com/lurk/). There is no word whether Babylon 5 will continue it’s legacy with something like Babylon 6 perhaps.

Oh, and here are some spoilers below….

The Shadow War WILL be over by the end of Season 3.

There, I said it :()

Walker
“Make love, not war”

Subj: re: Goodbye B5!
Date: 95-12-12 20:36:48 EDT
From: Startrain
Posted on: America Online

No way would re-runs make me stop watching, almost ALL shows go into reruns during December & January. ST does the same thing. All the networks (PTEN included) save their new offerings for SWEEPS periods. Even though I tape all episodes, I still watch the re-runs!

Startrain

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-12 23:35:51 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

In the bay area (northern california) B5 is apparently very popular. Last season, it was on at 8:00 p.m. on Wed. This season, it is 9:00 p.m. on Thurday, following DS9. It is shown on Channel 44 (UPN).

ReddGator

Subj: W.Mich/B5
Date: 95-12-12 23:59:19 EDT
From: Kazooquasi
Posted on: America Online

If anyone out there has been suffering thru a B-5 less fall season in West Michigan like me, let me know. I’d like to contact or see if a fan club or support group (or maybe just a mailing list or newsletter) to keep the show on locally. The local Fox affiliate, after telling me they had offered WB the old 10:00 PM Friday to show it in as part of an effort to get it back, now that they got it back, is now showing it at 1:00 AM on Saturdays. It’s only been back for two weeks now and one episode was a repeat from season two.
Maybe they could put it back on at 10:00 PM some weeknight in place of ST-DS9 repeats from previous seasons.
By the way, I work for a local cable company. The local broadcasters want the FCC to allow them to use the extra bandwidth allocated to them for the development of High Definition TV to develop other products, like home shopping channels. If you ever want to see B-5 in digital high aspect true wide screen format (probably in syndication in later years) without having to buy laser disks, you might want to mention your support of developing HDTV, along with your support of B-5. I’d love to have my grandkids rediscovering B-5 and Star Wars and such ten or fifteen years from now in HDTV format.
Yeah, I know…we’ll all have to buy new TV’s then.
Kazooquasi

Subj: Re:Goodbye Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-13 02:38:40 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Thank you, Posti. You have now posted your departing message in at least three different folders, probably more. We kind of get the point.

And it’s story *arc*, not story *arch*.

jms
Subj: Re:Goodbye Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-13 15:52:17 EDT
From: ZenGEOS
Posted on: America Online

Now now JMS!

Only us viewers are allowed to get testy! ;P

<JK> I kinda get irritated by crossposts…but, then, several of the boards looked appropriate I’m sure, for the crossposts. So long as it isn’t a spam.

Believe me..in my line of work, it can be very frustrating…like users expecting me to hand hold them thru every step of everything you can do on the Internet.

:)

Mark-

 

Subj: Re:W.Mich/B5
Date: 95-12-13 18:04:46 EDT
From: Connelle1
Posted on: America Online

I get B5 every Tues. on Channel 20 out of Detroit(live in Deaborn), that might be kinda far for you, but if your in a small town some cable companies carry Det. stations in rural areas. From what I know it does very well here.

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 95-12-13 23:12:03 EDT
From: TACHSTAR
Posted on: America Online

I have called and wirtten.

So far so good as UPN has kept it going here in Dallas, of course, this is a pretty good market for good sci-fi.

I hope.

Tachstar

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-13 23:14:21 EDT
From: TACHSTAR
Posted on: America Online

Go JMS.

Babylon 5 for another 1.5 years!

Tachstar

Subj: Re:B5 WILL NOT be cancelled!
Date: 95-12-13 23:58:40 EDT
From: RonaldG365
Posted on: America Online

Its not that B5 is getting canceled its getting dropped from certain networks like in the St.Louis area on channel 11

Subj: Re:Goodbye Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-15 13:07:30 EDT
From: RADAR 333
Posted on: America Online

i would rather watch a re-run of B5 than a new episode of TNG!!

Subj: Re:Goodbye Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-15 18:42:38 EDT
From: AcDec
Posted on: America Online

TNG was cancelled in 94, It would be kind of hard to watch a new episode of it. :)

–AcDec

Subj: Re:Goodbye Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-16 13:24:16 EDT
From: RADAR 333
Posted on: America Online

well, that WAS a blunder, wasnt it. I meant the other two. uhhh DUHHH

Subj: Re:Goodbye Babylon 5
Date: 95-12-16 13:29:44 EDT
From: RADAR 333
Posted on: America Online

And also, Maybe in the midst of all these ‘horrible reruns’ I will get to see the second season finale, which I missed cause my VCR broke that night!!

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-16 13:43:05 EDT
From: ASilver907
Posted on: America Online

>>>Sliders is gone>>>
The last I heard was that Sliders was going to be back this winter.

Subj: B5 Ratings-Wake Up JMS!
Date: 95-12-17 04:58:18 EDT
From: BRUCE7
Posted on: America Online

B5 is without a doubt, the best sci-fi show on television today (no slam on ST Fans intended).

But..here in the New York, New Jersey area, you’d be hard pressed to even find B5 advertised
by the local station that carries it (UPN9-WOR). Assuming the show hasn’t been preempted by
sports, a bad movie (or other Saturday afternoon nonsense) AND assuming the show is NOT
a repeat (not already!) it’s rewarding to watch as usual.

The point here is that even a die hard B5 fan like myself has to really work at trying to find/watch
a B5 episode, and I am often rewarded with the garbage that takes the B5 timeslot.
There is no way that a potentially new fan is going to come in on a Season of B5 and make any
sense out of it, because there is no continuity. I have had several friends try B5 as a refreshing
sci-fi alternative and they got completely turned off by the hassle of trying to watch it here.

The bottom line JMS, is that you can have the best special effects, great actors (like BB) and
actresses, and truly outstanding costumes. If the product can’t get to the consumer, the
people who drive the ratings systems, B5 is doomed to cancellation. B5 is too good for that.

JMS, I’m personally appealing to you to conduct your own fan survey (there are enough on AOL,
not to mention the other services you sign onto), find out where the problem stations are in
the distribution channel, and put pressure on the stations to do a better job of delivering your
product in an otherwise drab television environment. We will help you! We will call and write to
the stations as well. The pressure has to come in a coordinated fashion from both sides
(ours and yours). You won’t be ignored when you meet with a station or network exec and show
them the thousands of fans B5 has in a given market!!

Now get back to work!-But remember-it can be the best product in the world with a 5 or 10 year
story “arc”, but if we can’t find it, or see it, it don’t mean a thing!

Thanks, and all the best to you, BB and the cast for this past season and the ones to come.
-Bruce7

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings-Wake Up JMS!
Date: 95-12-17 15:30:26 EDT
From: Lisala
Posted on: America Online

Guys, JMS has absolutely -no- control over sydication stations, distribution, scheduling times etc., and almost no influence either. That’s entirely in the hands of local stations. If you really want change, call -and write- a polite letter to your local station manager yourself, and get others to do the same.

Subj: B5 Universe
Date: 95-12-17 22:42:52 EDT
From: Gammera2
Posted on: America Online

Kudos where due.. OKC’s channel 34 has reliably kept B5 on Wed. nights in prime time and alerts us on the rare occasion when it must be delayed to a sporting event.
B5 is easily the best-written show on TV, and that is due in no small part to the major efforts made by JMS. Can anyone name one other show which has its architect constantly watching over it and writing for it?
Also, the books are well-written, and the comics are at least interesting. (We continue to wait for the promised JMS story arc in the comic.) They may not always fit into the timeline, but at least an effort is made to integrate all of the stories, and for that, we B5 fans must also be grateful.
Credit is also due to the wonderful actors and actresses who take their B5 roles, expand them and make them work better each and every week. They obviously *enjoy* their work and are dedicated to it.
Keep up the good work, JMS, and everyone else associated with B5!

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings-Wake Up JMS!
Date: 95-12-18 02:34:40 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Bruce: the only problem with your message — and I agree with the majority of it — is that we are very definitely aware of the lack of PR on a local level, but there is *nothing* that I can do about it. There is no pressure whatsoever that I can bring to bear upon this, short of holding my breath until I turn blue.

Publicity at the local station level is at the *complete* whim of the local station. PTEN as an entity can provide matching funds for ads, but it’s up to the local station to decide whether or not to air those ads in the first place. This issue can *only* be influenced by local viewers. It’s not a question of my “waking up,” I have no control over this area at ALL. I make the show, but it’s WB that distributes it, and PTEN that handles it thereafter. I’ve begged, yelled, carried on cranky and generally bewailed the lack of publicity we get on a local level. I’m just the guy who makes the show, nobody listens.

The stations only listen to local viewers.

jms
Subj: Re:B5 Universe
Date: 95-12-18 02:35:54 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Gamera: thanks, and thanks for coming out of your shell (so to speak; those who haven’t seen the Gamera movies are on your own).

jms
Subj: Re:B5 Universe
Date: 95-12-18 23:38:51 EDT
From: RMiller254
Posted on: America Online

They still havn’t put Babylon 5 back on here in San Antonio. It was replaced by reruns of the Orginal Star Trek.. Has anyone out there missed any episode by now??? Most people must have seen them all at least twice!! Thank Goodness we have the Net, Books and Comics to let us know what is going on in the B5 universe. Keep up the good work JMS and maybe someday we can buy the videos like the Star Trek Episodes we might have missed.. Not the B5 episodes we have been forced to miss.

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 95-12-19 02:56:25 EDT
From: Lindio
Posted on: America Online

I agree that B5 is the most entertaining and well-thought out show around. Star Trek, this days seem to be repetive and boring, with the exceptions of a few minor episodes. I truly hope that B5 will be around for a long time to come. The characterization of all the characters is nicely done. The long sub-plot of the Shadows is finally realized (More than half of the characters, in the earlier seasons didn’t even know of a Shadows threat!). If more people would be willing to give Babylon 5 a chance, those people would soon find themselves immensely interested.

Subj: Keep the Five Alive
Date: 95-12-20 03:28:35 EDT
From: AMays62859
Posted on: America Online

Babylon 5 is a really good show, especially for those like me bored with the Trek. Space Above and Beyond and Babylon 5 keep me well entertained each week.

Subj: To JMS: Second season finale
Date: 95-12-21 14:25:16 EDT
From: RADAR 333
Posted on: America Online

Is the second season finale going to be repeated soon? I missed it the first time around.

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 95-12-21 17:08:37 EDT
From: Jaramishi
Posted on: America Online

I have watched B5 since its inception, even as week as it originally was, but now even wife says this is good stuff, creativity is flowing, and if WB can keep it up, and enhance its marketing efforts this could be a top rated non-network show!

Subj: Alive and well in Mpls
Date: 95-12-21 19:38:36 EDT
From: PPGWave
Posted on: America Online

Well, every week there is a large B5 ad in our 2 weekly free rags, and a sizeable ad in the local TV listings. Minneapolis seems to be pushing B5 just fine, and has it comfortably parked right after DS9 on Thursdays at 8 pm.
I’m so happy, I’m goint to call the station to tell them how much I like this dang show.
This show has the best Explosions on tv. That alone should keep people watching. (Oh yeah, and a plot that allows for character evolution….. unlike Trek.)

PPG

Subj: Ratings
Date: 95-12-22 23:57:04 EDT
From: BryanG102
Posted on: America Online

I am glad the show is doing well overall, at least that’s what I got out of what JMS said, but I
almost missed the third season. Ratings do matter. It was just an 11th hour letter Blitz that
kept Babylon 5 on my local channel. It was canceled here at one point. It has been canceled
on some stations. The show might go on, but some people are missing out because of low ratings.

Bryan

Subj: Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-23 15:02:39 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

To: ALL Date: 12/22
From: BSEW06A JEFFERSON GRAHAM Time: 0:00 AM
1. Wheel of Fortune, 13.1
2. Jeopardy, 10.6
3. Home Improvement, 10.0
4. Oprah, 8.1
5. ESPN on NFL, 7.9
6. Seinfeld, 7.6
7. Entertainment Tonight, 6.8
8. Simpsons, 6.8
9. Star Trek:Deep Space Nine, 6.8
10. Hercules, 6.7
11. National Geographic on Assignment, 6.2
12. Roseanne, 5.9
13. Inside Edition, 5.8
14. Fresh Prince, 5.6
15. Home Improvement, weekend, 5.6
16. Wheel, weekend, 5.6
17. Xena, 5.4
18. Baywatch, 4.9
19. Outer Limits, 4.9
20. Jenny Jones, 4.8
Talkers: Regis and Kathie Lee (24) Ricki (25) Montel (28)
Maury (35) Sally Jessy Raphael (39) Jerry (48) Geraldo (57)
Carnie (62) Gordon (62)….Babylon 5 (50) Kung Fu (50)….
Jefferson Graham, TTG

 

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 95-12-23 19:47:27 EDT
From: Heddy b803
Posted on: America Online

Read with interest Boxleitners comments in EW. I am a big Sci Fi fan and a Trekker from way back. I began watching B5 steadily toward the end of last season, and am now totally hooked. I look forward to each new episode. I would honestly rate your show as some of the best Sci Fi on TV and that includes Voyager and DS9. I enjoy all the characters on the show, and I think that Bruce Boxleitner is superb as Captain John Sheridan. I hope the ratings improve, and that your show runs for a long time. I am spreading the word to my friends to watch B5 and will continue to do so. You have a truly interesting cast of characters and I look forward to seeing them each week. Note to Mr. Boxleitner… keep up the excellent work in your role, sir , to this old Trekker you are the best Captain to come along since J.T Kirk, and I mean that. Best regards to the cast and crew of one of the best Sci Fi shows to come along in a long time.

Best regards from a loyal fan,

Steve Burke, upstate New York

Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-23 20:44:03 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Thank you *ever* for posting the ratings information. I do find it curious that you omitted several things, such as that the week referred to was a *rerun* of Babylon 5. You also omitted the fact that the figure for that week put B5 at 50 out of a field of approximately 250 syndicated shows. Why, if I didn’t know better, from the way you edited down the information, one might think that B5 was the last show in the listings, when in fact it is in the top 20% of all syndicated shows (#50 out of 250). And that includes all the talk shows and game shows and info shows, even though generall B5 is compared to other dramatic series, where it is generally in the top 10 of syndicated dramatic series.

You really may want to be clearer in your postings, and indulge in less editing, lest anyone come to the horrid assumption that you have an agenda in mind, and anyone who has seen your rabid andi-B5 postings in other folders might come to the conclusion that you had not as yet sought counseling for your obsession. I, on the other hand, prefer to give you the benfit of the doubt.

So from the bottom of my heart, *thank you* for posting information proving that even when we are in reruns, we’re *still* in the top 20% of all syndicated shows in the nation. Please, do continue.

jms
Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-24 02:53:09 EDT
From: Rushylon 5
Posted on: America Online

Amen, JMS.

The Hall Bros. are known B5 attackers, and will take any chance to show how much “better” Trek is than B5. This latest example is just as bad as pollsters asking questions in a certain way to make the outcome appear to be in their favor.

Thank you JMS, for the much needed clarification.

Rushylon 5

Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-24 14:48:49 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

For the record, what I posted yesterday was an exact copy of what was placed on the TV Board of Prodigy by Jefferson Graham (a TV critic who regularly posts on that service) under the heading SYNDIE RATES–12/10. (Well, I did make one correction; Hercules didn’t have a “u” in it.) Any comments or criticisms about the post or its “editing” can be sent to Jefferson Graham via Prodigy at BSEW06A.

And the reason I posted it at all is because I was asked to by a B5er who felt that SOME information is better than none at all. Graham’s list is the only one I’ve seen online that includes Babylon 5. In fact, none of the ratings lists (which usually just indicate the top 20 syndicated programs, sometimes with the ratings numbers) state how many syndicated programs there are.

The fact that there are more than 90 posts in this thread shows that there is interest in the ratings numbers. If you’re so concerned with inaccurate or “edited” information reaching the fans, why not simply post the correct information in the proper context so the fans really know how the show is doing? If that takes too much time for you to do it yourself, I’m sure there are plenty of folks on the board who’d post it for you if given the info.

Randy

Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-25 18:32:35 EDT
From: Lolysmagpy
Posted on: America Online

Mr. Hall, just stop acting like no one see right through you. It is insulting.

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-27 03:18:40 EDT
From: HMSierra
Posted on: America Online

B5 is by far the best SF series on the air now. It appears on the local UPN affiliate in Boston in what is now a steady time slot, except for the occassional bump for a local sprots event. Are there plans for WB to pick up the show for its new network? This would seem a logical choice if the add time allocation is geared for a network. Does anyone have any info on this?

Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-28 17:54:35 EDT
From: SABRECHAMP
Posted on: America Online

Randy, thanks for re-posting the information. I’m often curious as to how well “Babylon 5″ is doing, compared to the rest of the field.

Geez, lighten up, people. I, for the life of me, can’t see how the ratings’ post was derogatory…if you find it so, please take the time to post the information which you feel would clarify these listings.

___________Michael_____________________________________________________________

Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-29 02:28:56 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

What does this mean?

Does it mean that B5 is 50th with reruns on. Does it take into account that some stations show B5 two or more times per week (do both audiences count?). Can someone please give some background on these ratings.

Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-29 02:33:14 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

I agree with this post. This message board should be listing all of the latest weekly?? ratings and discussing them in detail.

Subj: Ratings
Date: 95-12-29 18:33:11 EDT
From: SteveSwims
Posted on: America Online

B5 is at the position now where its fans are growing in numbers to support the series. However secure stations fail to pick up this show or it is being played a horrible hours, thus it is not being seen by the majority of the population. The show should try to be sold to a better station, one that by its number of viewers to that channel alone would broaden the number of viewers to this truly great show. But we will have to cope with that problem for now. People from cities that don’t have the shows listings on here and do know should write here so that other people that want to get hooked in, will be able to. We have much work ahead of us.
WE ALL STAND UNITED! -The Lurker

Subj: RE:Ratings
Date: 95-12-29 18:43:06 EDT
From: Siphonman
Posted on: America Online

I’ve got to agree with Steve on this one. He seems like he knows everything.

Subj: Randy
Date: 95-12-29 18:50:47 EDT
From: Siphonman
Posted on: America Online

I know why Randy is messed up!
He has a MAC! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Subj: B5 at midnight
Date: 95-12-29 21:49:03 EDT
From: TEKMINATOR
Posted on: America Online

I’m a big B5 fan and I live in Plantation, Florida. The TV station that shows B5 is WDZL 39, and in todays episode they ran a message at the bottom of the screen saying that B5 will be moved to Saturdays at midnight. They did similar thing to TIMETRAX and it was later dropped. I’m afraid they will do the same thing to B5.

Subj: B5 ratings
Date: 95-12-30 00:12:18 EDT
From: MFlem72903
Posted on: America Online

I don’t know about the ratings. However, this is a quality sci-fi show (as we all know). It needs to be on a network at a regular time. It’s rating problem stems from it being shown all over the country at all times of the day and night. CBS needs to take this show and run it after 60 minutes on Sundays. It would do as well as Sea Joke and funniest Home videos(Gag!!)

Subj: Re:jms responses
Date: 95-12-30 01:08:57 EDT
From: MJMack
Posted on: America Online

Dear JMS:
I have to say that I think it’s great that you take the time to read and respond to your viewers comments and questions. I think your show is one of the best written shows on the air with a story line (arc?!) that is positively riveting. I must confess that I was never an avid science fiction fan like most of your viewers, but that I was hooked after watching only one episode. (I’m one of those female demographics you acquired when Bruce Boxleitner came on board, no pun intended.) As evidenced by your viewers’ comments, a key element to Babylon 5’s success is that it can be enjoyed on so many different levels. No easy feat.
Thanks JMS and keep up the good work! – mjmack

Subj: Kansas City Ratings
Date: 95-12-30 02:37:40 EDT
From: BigWig27
Posted on: America Online

Just talked with a guy named Matt. He’s in charge of programming at channel 62 (the local KC channel that shows B5), and he said B5’s ratings were excellent. It is their second highest rated show (behind Voyager–yech!!!). He personally likes the show, so that’s a good sign. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know B5 is doing well in Kansas City.

Later,
BigWig27
Subj: Re:Kansas City Ratings
Date: 95-12-30 11:32:39 EDT
From: TEKMINATOR
Posted on: America Online

What day and at what time they show B5 there?

Subj: Re:Great Show
Date: 95-12-30 18:25:41 EDT
From: Sable229
Posted on: America Online

I don’t know about Primestar but unfortunately it is not on the DSS system. <sob>. I just wish DirectTv would add a UPN/WB station to their channel line-up but their are know plans to do so. This show is the best thing on TV and I do not want to let it die so I too am worried about Bruce’s comments. But the show is a big hit in the UK due to the fact it is on at the same time throughout the country. So they do not have to play pick and choose with the listings! Maybe someday we in this country can get the act together and B5 can be shown at the same time throughout the US. I loved ST when it first appeared on NBC, and have followed it for thirty years. B5 has that beat all to h***.
Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-30 20:08:36 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>PTEN – WB, you’d think they’d just put it on their own network (The WB) and eliminate the local station problem.<<

I agree with this comment. I’ll bet ya what stands in the way of this though may be some contractual arrangements that were drawn up prior to the WB Networks formation.

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-30 20:20:15 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>>>Subj: Ratings
Date: 95-12-02 01:46:18 EST
From: Jms at B5
Every so often, this flares up, and I have to kind of get into it. Yes, Bruce would like the ratings to get better, because he feels that this show is at least as good as ST, if not better, and thus deserves the same ratings. This is not a reasonable expectation, I think; ST has almost 30 years of presence in the public consciousness. You can’t beat that.<<<<

I know we’re talking about television here, Joe, but nobody expected the first Star Wars movie to the the blockbuster it turned out to be –not by a long shot. Yes, ST has 3 decades of history, a point I have brought up many times in the past in the ST Section of the Sci Fi Forum on CSERVE, but I think word of mouth is a factor and people do talk about shows they like. The problem that’s been hurting B5 more than anything is the local station run arounds that syndicated producers often fall victim to. Paramount produces Voyager or DS9 and are more thanwilling to spend 2 million dollars an episode to get attention, which they’ve gotten, and which local stations showing DS9 know would be programming suicide if they start jerking Trek fans around. However, they can get away with doing it to a show like B5, which doesn’t have such a long history as the Trek genre, so they play a game of monkey business, and ultimately the only people who really get hurt are guys like you and all those involved in the production of your show along with we fans. I’m just happy that WWOR has commited to keep B5 for the duration of its run, which hopefully will remain in prime time. I heard that one of the station managers over there got tired of people calling once they started to talk about dropping B5 at the end of its thrid season, and to that I say a resounding GOOD! It’s just too bad that half the country is getting shafted by stations that will only show your program at 12:: or 1:00 pm on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. It’s areas like that which are hurting the shows ratings, and the program managers of those station should be put in front of a firing squad(just kidding, I’m pissed but not crazy) if you ask me for their sabotage.

 

Subj: Re:Latest ratings
Date: 95-12-30 20:38:25 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>You really may want to be clearer in your postings, and indulge in less editing, lest anyone come to the horrid assumption that you have an agenda in mind, and anyone who has seen your rabid andi-B5 postings in other folders might come to the conclusion that you had not as yet sought counseling for your obsession. I, on the other hand, prefer to give you the benfit of the doubt.<<

Joe, I haven’t seen other postings from this, ahem, “individual,” but I must say that your response to him had me laughing my butt off over here –really! 😉 It’s good of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not so generous.
Subj: Re:jms responses
Date: 95-12-31 01:23:32 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Thanks. I have to say that Bruce is great to work with; he’s what people point to when they say someone’s a “team player.” There’s never any ego, never anything but a friendly, eager to please actor who works his heart out on the show. We’re all quite fond of him.

jms
Subj: Re:Kansas City Ratings
Date: 95-12-31 01:25:54 EDT
From: MJohn18613
Posted on: America Online

B5 is shown in Kansas City on Channel 62 on Wednesdays at 9:00 p.m.

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-31 12:15:05 EDT
From: CrazyMama
Posted on: America Online

I’m so bummed…B5 has been switched from Friday’s at 8 (just before X-files) to Saturdays at midnight here in South Florida. Why, oh why?

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 95-12-31 13:49:34 EDT
From: ZenGEOS
Posted on: America Online

I guess I’m lucky here in Maine since WSBK in Boston shows it twice weekly, and FOX51 out of Portland shows it twice weekly…all at different times. So…if I miss it at one time I can catch it on another time usually. Course.. I sometimes forget what times it’s onso have to keep a lookout for it but…

Mark-

Subj: Overall Ratings
Date: 96-01-01 06:22:48 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

JMS or someone please answer the following questions, or at least tell me where the questions has already been answered.

#1 What ratings are we all ‘occassionally’ discussing on this board?? Nieslen (spelling?), or something else.

#2 How are the ratings tabulated? For example, if a station plays a B5 episode twice in one week, do both runs count?

#3 What is B5 being rating against. All shows? Syndicated show? Some other combo??

#4 How do the ratings dictate (if at all) which shows will remain on the air. [From other posts, it does not seem that B5 is likely to be killed, but what would change that scenario that we should watch for??].

These are some of many questions that come to mind when I think of this board. If it has a different purpose, then please inform me.

Thanks for your response.

Go B5!! (best in TV history for year to year series).

Go Florida Gators!!

ReddGator

Subj: Re:Randy
Date: 96-01-01 07:08:13 EDT
From: ASilver907
Posted on: America Online

>>>I know why Randy is messed up!
He has a MAC! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!<<<
I own a Mac & I am not messed up.
Live with this, people who own Mac OS computers are superior to the stupid people who use Wintel computers & the original Pentium ads were made with Mac OS computers.

Subj: Re:Overall Ratings
Date: 96-01-01 07:32:21 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

#1 What ratings are we all ‘occassionally’ discussing on this board?? Nieslen (spelling?), or something else.

Yes, usually they are the Neilsen ratings, though in some cases the Arbitron ratings get used.

#2 How are the ratings tabulated? For example, if a station plays a B5 episode twice in one week, do both runs count?

Yes, both runs are taken into account; however, the majority of stations run the show only once per week, not twice anymore, due to the increased supply of first-run programming. Logically speaking, why put on a rerun when you’ve got another first-run show to choose from?

#3 What is B5 being rating against. All shows? Syndicated show? Some other combo??

In the overall ratings, B5 is put into the listing of all syndicated shows, where it is generally in the top 20% or better.

#4 How do the ratings dictate (if at all) which shows will remain on the air. [From other posts, it does not seem that B5 is likely to be killed, but what would change that scenario that we should watch for??].

That’s the problematic thing about discussing ratings in a pure numbers game; the number of viewers is factored in with the *kinds* of viewers you get (demographics). That in turn determines the advertising dollars stations and WB/PTEN can charge sponsors. It all goes into a fairly complex formula (which, as it was explained to me by media sales people just before the Christmas break, means that given B5’s excellent demographics, you can add 40% to the ratings figure when computing ad rates).

As long as the show continues to be profitable for the network via the advertising, they will continue to make it; when it stops being profitable, they won’t.

jms

 
Subj: Re:JMS responses
Date: 96-01-02 04:44:13 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>>>Subj: Ratings
Date: 95-12-02 01:46:18 EST
From: Jms at B5
Every so often, this flares up, and I have to kind of get into it. Yes, Bruce would like the ratings to get better, because he feels that this show is at least as good as ST, if not better, and thus deserves the same ratings. This is not a reasonable expectation, I think; ST has almost 30 years of presence in the public consciousness. You can’t beat that.<<<<

I know we’re talking about television here, Joe, but nobody expected the first Star Wars movie to the the blockbuster it turned out to be –not by a long shot. Yes, ST has 3 decades of history, a point I have brought up many times in the past in the ST Section of the Sci Fi Forum on CSERVE, but I think word of mouth is a factor and people do talk about shows they like. The problem that’s been hurting B5 more than anything is the local station run arounds that syndicated producers often fall victim to. Paramount produces Voyager or DS9 and are more thanwilling to spend 2 million dollars an episode to get attention, which they’ve gotten, and which local stations showing DS9 know would be programming suicide if they start jerking Trek fans around. However, they can get away with doing it to a show like B5, which doesn’t have such a long history as the Trek genre, so they play a game of monkey business, and ultimately the only people who really get hurt are guys like you and all those involved in the production of your show along with we fans. I’m just happy that WWOR has commited to keep B5 for the duration of its run, which hopefully will remain in prime time. I heard that one of the station managers over there got tired of people calling once they started to talk about dropping B5 at the end of its thrid season, and to that I say a resounding GOOD! It’s just too bad that half the country is getting shafted by stations that will only show your program at 12:: or 1:00 pm on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. It’s areas like that which are hurting the shows ratings, and the program managers of those station should be put in front of a firing squad(just kidding, I’m pissed but not crazy) if you ask me for their sabotage.

 

Subj: Re:JMS responses
Date: 96-01-02 04:46:00 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>You really may want to be clearer in your postings, and indulge in less editing, lest anyone come to the horrid assumption that you have an agenda in mind, and anyone who has seen your rabid andi-B5 postings in other folders might come to the conclusion that you had not as yet sought counseling for your obsession. I, on the other hand, prefer to give you the benfit of the doubt.<<

Joe, I haven’t seen other postings from this, ahem, “individual,” but I must say that your response to him had me laughing my butt off over here –really! 😉 It’s good of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not so generous.

Subj: Re:Overall Ratings/JMS
Date: 96-01-02 05:23:01 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

JMS,

Thanks for your prompt and informative response. You have created an excellent series.

ReddGator

Subj: Re:Overall Ratings
Date: 96-01-02 23:51:55 EDT
From: JS CJ428
Posted on: America Online

Talked to chnl 20 which shows B5 for the Washington DC area. It has pretty good ratings, and was changed to 8pm Wed night as a lead in to DS9. Hopefully that will grab more Trek folks (I am one) who will learn that B5 is the best SF on TV. jim

Subj: Re:Kansas City Ratings
Date: 96-01-03 10:08:13 EDT
From: BigWig27
Posted on: America Online

B5 is shown twice during the week here in KC. On Wednesdays at 9 pm, then again on Saturdays at 10 pm (after Voyager). They tried fooling with the times during the second season, but there was a sizable outcry by local fans, and they switched it back. If B5 had a standard time slot in every city, we all know it would be more successful, but unfortunately, that is not the nature of the syndication beast.

Later,
BigWig 27

Subj: Second season finale
Date: 96-01-03 16:11:42 EDT
From: JOHN DANT
Posted on: America Online

I never heard a response as to when the second season finale will be aired again. If anyone knows, please post.
thanks,
John Dant
Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-01-03 22:49:44 EDT
From: VSeidel220
Posted on: America Online

First, I would like to say that I really enjoy B5. It is intellectually stimulating, the acting is excellent, and the storyline is terrific and has me hooked. Other than an occasional mystery,
science fiction is all that I watch on television. I like all of the Star Treks, Space: Above and
Beyond, etc, but missing B5 really makes me upset. I recently moved and lost a week because
of the differences in when the shows are aired in my old viewing area and my new viewing area.

If there could be a concerted effort to the local stations that are jerking the show around, I would
be a willing participant, even though my station in Fort Wayne seems to be pretty reliable about
airing the show. Although it is on at 9am on Sundays, I tape it to make certain I see it. If someone would publish addresses (either e-mail or postal) I would write a letter(s). Also, I think
the best solution was offered earlier…convert your friends to B5 fans. Explain the storyline to them before they watch and then make sure it is a tape they watch, so you can stop it and
answer their questions. That’s what I’ve done and I’ve managed to make several other people
viewers who did not even care much for science fiction…Victoria
P.S. thanks jms for all of your comments and the show!

Subj: Re:San Antonio
Date: 96-01-04 01:41:11 EDT
From: Timer14
Posted on: America Online

Well its still not here. I have a friend in Austin TX. who thank GOD is a B5 fan and is willing to tape it for me.But its not the same as seeing as it happens.All of you elsewhere please appreciate your good fortunes in having it aired where you are. TIMER14 “Joe”

Subj: Re:San Antonio
Date: 96-01-05 04:55:45 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Well its still not here. I have a friend in Austin TX. who thank GOD is a B5 fan and is willing to tape it for me.But its not the same as seeing as it happens.All of you elsewhere please appreciate your good fortunes in having it aired where you are. TIMER14 “Joe”<<

Joe,
You mean you can’t even get it through cable access?? That stinks!

Subj: Reruns and ratings
Date: 96-01-06 02:42:56 EDT
From: DaTeech
Posted on: America Online

After perusing this folder I’ve found several comments about B5 being in reruns so quickly after the season started. I suspect there is a rather practical reason for this (if I’m wrong I feel confident someone more in the know will set the record straight). As the new season started in the very late fall and as people tend to be doing other things between about the third week in November and the beginning of January, reruns seem to be “de rigueur” during the holidays for almost everyone. B5 should be back into new episodes within a week or two.

Mark (could be wrong, but it’s logical)

Subj: Re:Reruns and ratings
Date: 96-01-07 04:03:01 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

All the darn shows, even network programs, run repeats during the holiday season!
The only difference seems to be that syndicated shows seem to feel they can slip by with an extra one, two or three repeats when compared to network shows at that time of year. This is nothing new with B5. They routinely run a few more repeats immediately following the Christmas\ New Year season.
Subj: Re:B5 Universe
Date: 96-01-07 18:05:31 EDT
From: RCLYDE3
Posted on: America Online

I work for a station in Alabama that carries B5. We show it at 11p. CST, WDHN-TV 18.
The BEST way to contact a station is write. All letters must be kept in a public file wich anyone can ask to see. Address letters to the program director. If you get no satisfaction, write the station manager, or even better, the sales manager.
We carry DS9 also. I always watch B5 (I get our sat. feed & watch it during my free time!) I usually forget to watch DS9. that’s the best compliment I can give it!
Also be aware- many stations now get E-mail through AOL. (I know our station does) this may be another option to contacting the station to support B5.
Our program director had heard from another syndicator that B5 was going off. I so glad my husband had to go to the office today & let me play on his computer. I’ve been really depresed thinking my favorite show was about to leave. Thanks for the reasurance!
I hope my husban has to work another weekend so I can learn more!
Until then- Stay warm & don’t hurt youself digging snow!
Julie
P.S. If you have any local sation questions you think I can help with-Contact WDHN through ABC

Subj: Re:B5 Universe
Date: 96-01-07 22:38:40 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< The BEST way to contact a station is write. All letters must be kept in a public file wich anyone can ask to see. Address letters to the program director. >>

Every time I have written KCOP channel 13 in the Los Angeles area, I have gotten my original letter back, with a handwritten note from the program director handwritten at the bottom or in the margin. Does this mean they DON’T keep the letters on file if they don’t want to? I admit of the possibility that they photocopy or microfilm letters for easier storage, or scan them into a computer system. But one can’t help but wonder whether stations REALLY keep all these letters on file.

Subj: Re:B5 Universe (letters)
Date: 96-01-09 20:02:25 EDT
From: ECHO LIMA
Posted on: America Online

according to fcc regulations, all stations (radio & tv) are supposed to maintain a public access file, which can include everything from tape copies of public information programming to the letters you mentioned, and, those items are open to public viewing during the station’s regular business hours.

lord help the station that didn’t maintain those files if a field agent happened to wander in during a regional spot-check (always unannounced). i admit i’m 8 years out of the broadcasting business now, but somehow i can’t imagine the great & powerful fcc relaxing that much control

Subj: Re:B5 Universe (letters)
Date: 96-01-09 20:04:24 EDT
From: ECHO LIMA
Posted on: America Online

oops, hit wrong button.

….over local station operations. anybody else out there a little more up to date than i am?

echo
Subj: B5 Tops!
Date: 96-01-09 23:01:48 EDT
From: EStock1
Posted on: America Online

Babylon 5 is the best SF series on television – maybe the best show I have ever seen.

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 96-01-10 16:51:35 EDT
From: ChrHeins
Posted on: America Online

I also agree there. If the station is thinking of dropping it we usually don’t know until it’s too late. It is still being shown during prime time here in WDC
but I have no ideas on how it’s doing over all. Only among my friends here in DC. If some one who is in the know wil let us know if it’s going to change ( dropped or permanent time change to some absurd time like 3am we want to know. We do not get the Sci-fi channel in Charles county and if it gets dropped, I’d bet it would be picked up by them. Then we don’t get to see it.

Subj: Re:B5 Tops!
Date: 96-01-11 20:35:07 EDT
From: JS CJ428
Posted on: America Online

Chnl 20 in the D.C. area is now showing B5 twice a week!. ST, ST:NG, DS9, and Voyager all got that treatment. Now that B5 is being treated that same way I feel very good that it is here to stay in D.C. jim

Subj: Re:primetime in cleve.!!
Date: 96-01-14 17:03:41 EDT
From: WOOSLY
Posted on: America Online

I’ve been enjoying b5 here at 9:00pm for quite a while. It is irritating that there has not
been new episode’s for about a month though.
As long as they finish that main arc story, I’ll be satisfied.
Please don’t leave us hanging!!\
I’m dying to see how they explain that time travel episode.
Does Delenn return to full minbari form??
Subj: Babylon 5 Ratings
Date: 96-01-15 20:16:58 EDT
From: SDavis9377
Posted on: America Online

B5 is doing very well in the SF Bay Area. It’s on Thursday’s at 9:00 pm and Sunday’s at
10:00 pm. I keep in touch with UPN44 on a frequent basis and their response is that the show
is doing extremely well ratings wise. It is by far the best show on TV. Much better than DS9
and Voyager. Both of those shows need to hire better writers.

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Ratings
Date: 96-01-16 06:04:27 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

Voyager is the worst, but it’s true –both Voyager and DS9 could use new writers, despite the two excellent episodes that DS9 premiered with at the very beginning of the new season.

Subj: B5’s bogus rerun variety
Date: 96-01-21 19:06:11 EDT
From: Stinkduck
Posted on: America Online

Babylon 5 is one of the best scifi series ever shown. Why don’t they air episodes from the first, or second season. It would be nice to view these now seemingly obscure chapters for possible clues on the war and to compare the characters of then and who they are now. UPN airs the program 8 PM on Thursday and thats it! I could watch it several times a week, but I guess most chicagoians don’t care for it.

Subj: Re:B5’s bogus rerun variety
Date: 96-01-22 07:03:52 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Warners thinks that if they rerun season 1 episodes, with a different commander, viewers and fans of the show will get confused and fall down.

jms
Subj: Re:B5 Tops!
Date: 96-01-22 12:19:45 EDT
From: Brakedrum
Posted on: America Online

I think it’s the best sci-fi show on now, but I’m so tired of reruns being on, that I’m am forgetting where we left off in the plot.

Subj: commercial
Date: 96-01-22 19:44:38 EDT
From: Rickeshay
Posted on: America Online

This week I saw the first commercial for Bablyon 5 on the Fox station that is
now showing it here in Central Nebraska, it listed 4 PM Sunday which is where
it has been since they started showing with the 2nd season final four. Imagine my
distress when at 4PM yesterday Voyager comes on. I knew that they had been
showing Voyager at 5PM so I guessed that they switched them for some reason,
which they did. But for anybody who was attracted by the commercial to give
the show a chance wouldn’t have and probably wouldn’t have stayed around
until 5. Thus hurting the ratings.

 
Subj: Re:Syndication ratings
Date: 96-01-22 20:38:18 EDT
From: B4 B5
Posted on: America Online
Ratings? Oh, you mean the ratings that select families across the US that are anal enough to keep, that track of their life wasting away at the TV set all week?

Too bad so many great shows, loved by millions get slammed in those ratings.

Subj: No Fourth Season!?
Date: 96-01-22 20:54:59 EDT
From: Steff W
Posted on: America Online

I am not a regular visitor to this group but I thought I’d better let you know that a source at Warner Bros. (through a very reliable journalist friend) says that Babylonia Productions only has an option for three seasons with Warner Bros. If there is not a ‘ground swell of support,’ Warner will not renew the show for a fourth season.

I noticed there have been bogus reports of cancellation here before but, Please do not flame me. The only reason I’m passing this along is that I trust the journalist’s judgment. I also experienced the same thing the first time “Beauty and the Beast” was canceled. I was an infozine editor at the time and my contact with Republic Pictures tipped me off (very anonymously) that discussions were going badly between CBS and Witt-Thomas Productions. We got the word out in time — shut down Western Union over night — and obtained another, well, half a season out of CBS.

Does anyone know the address for Warner Brothers?
Subj: Re:Reruns and ratings
Date: 96-01-23 03:08:57 EDT
From: LVGlen
Posted on: America Online

<<All the darn shows, even network programs, run repeats during the holiday season!>>

As a former TV station employee here in Vegas, I can tell you this is all because of one reason… TV RATINGS! Sweep months are November, February and May… these are the months when all these syndicated shows seem to run all their new shows… in order to get the highest possible ratings for their show.

HEY, JMS… any chance of seeing any of the first year shows on the Sci-Fi Channel?

 

Subj: Re:Reruns and ratings
Date: 96-01-23 05:04:59 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

The show’s been sold to TNT for runs after we’ve finished production, so the sci-fi channel is out of it at this juncture.

jms
Subj: Re:No Fourth Season!?
Date: 96-01-23 05:05:33 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Ah, more spamming, I see….

jms
Subj: Viewers for Quality TV
Date: 96-01-24 02:28:16 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

According to the latest survey out from Viewers For Quality Television, B5 is in a four-way
tie for #8, ahead of any other SF show except X-Files. It was also ahead of shows like “Chicago Hope” and “Dr. Quinn.” B5’s 8.00 rating was only one point behind first-place “Law & Order,” which got a 9.00.

Significantly, the survey was for the period from September 18 through October 1, when the show was still in reruns.

Slowly, we’re getting noticed….

jms
Subj: Re:B5 ratings
Date: 96-01-25 01:17:27 EDT
From: TyJedi
Posted on: America Online

I had read recently that B5’s ratings are still not so good in the syndicated markets. Is this the case and is the show in danger of not coming back next season? I know that syndicated ratings are not expected to be as high as network programing because of the limited markets, but are B5’s ratings sufficient? If they are not, should we be writing to UPN to express our support? Another outlet could be TV Guide, which periodically has a “save this show” article along with phone numbers to call. (Unfortunately, this didn’t work for Briscoe County jr).

Subj: Re:B5 ratings
Date: 96-01-25 04:31:17 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

While it’s always a good idea to write your local station and support the show, at this point we think we’re doing pretty well in the ratings, enough for WB to show a profit on the show, so at this point I’m cautiously optimistic.

jms
Subj: storyline
Date: 96-01-26 00:53:08 EDT
From: Billbo25
Posted on: America Online

I’ve forgotten most of the plot of this show! What’s going on with the earth conspiracy? What’s goin gon with psi corps? Is there an episode guide in print? Very much looking forward to a few new episodes coming soon here in NY. Are there any plans to release episodes on video tape???

Billbo25

Subj: Re:storyline
Date: 96-01-26 04:56:26 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Virtually all of your backstory questions will either be answered or dealt with in the next 7 days.

jms
Subj: NEW! Philly Bab-5 Schedule
Date: 96-01-26 13:19:49 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online
Jersey BAB-COM reporting on a Babylon-5 schedule change in Philadelphia and surrounding area. WPHL 17 is moving B-5 to SATURDAY at 4:00pm. The start date will be FEBRUARY 3RD and it will be a NEW EPISODE. The director of programming has indicated that poor ratings prompted the move. She has also indicated that calls and letters might(?) restore Babylon-5 to a prime time slot. Below is the address and phone.
WPHL 17
5001 WYNNEFIELD AV.
PHILA., PA 1931.
(215) 878-1700
Be polite and avoid Derogatory language, please. ( As if I have to say that.. :) )
Further reports as they come in, comments welcome.

South Jersey BAB-COM….. Way Zim

Subj: Thanks
Date: 96-01-27 02:28:45 EDT
From: Destynee
Posted on: America Online

I decided to add my two-cents worth on the whole Babylon 5 phenomena: there’s no other show on tv I watch as regularly or enjoy as much. A friend got me hooked last season, and since then, I haven’t had (or wanted) a Monday night free. The show is really a superb adventure, and I love it. I was quite pleased to hear that the show is going to continue for the entire 5 year story line, and that from people who would know. To everyone involved: Thanks for a wonderful story!

Destynee

Subj: Philly Bab-5 Followup
Date: 96-01-27 11:40:57 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online
Jersey BAB-COM update to my post on FRI 1/26. After getting Day and Time from WPHL 17 I checked my Sunday Weekly TV schedule. It listed Babylon-5 on SATURDAY FEB 3Rd at 3:00PM, not 4:00PM as I had been told. I will attempt to get confirmation on one time or the other. In the meanwhile, check your TV listings carefully.
Sat Feb 3rd is still the starting day and it will be a New Episode. If someone else reaches WPHL 17, let me know.

South Jersey BAB-COM…… Way Zim

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-01-28 00:30:33 EDT
From: BBERNA
Posted on: America Online

Jim,
Thought you might like to hear this. My Mother and Father who are 65 and 64. Are now both great fans of B5. My father especially likes the program. These are Milwaukee South Siders of Polish descent. If you can hook them (me too!) you have a winner on you hands.
Good luck and keep up the great work.
bberna@aol.com

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings-Wake Up JMS!
Date: 96-01-28 00:40:00 EDT
From: BBERNA
Posted on: America Online

With regards to ratings.
In Milwaukee, WVTV had to go off the air early the night ther ran “Inqusitor”. They didn’t put a crawler on. Just pulled the plug at the time B5 was going to be on.
That following Monday, seems they got alot of calls. Not so much about going off the air. Seems people wanted to know where B5 was and when they would re-air that episode. Well, they said it would re-air in the summer sometime. Sigh.
But low and behold. The next weekend, they again had to go down for Xmtr work. But this time, they stayed up long enough to run the B5 episode. Seems many little birds were squawking. I was one of them. I explained to the person I spoke to. That they had a program here that could go toe-to-toe with DS9 and knock the pants off it.
To end this, a couple weeks back the ran the lost episode out of the blue. Seems the lights are comming on now that they may have a money maker here. Commercials are getting better. No more 1-900 Sex ads. Actual Car commercials ala DS9 and Voyager.
Seems respect is arriving.
bberna
Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-01-28 01:50:51 EDT
From: LAURA PNP
Posted on: America Online

As of February 3,1996 WATL Atlanta is moving B5 to a 1:00 AM time slot!! How can they expect anyone to watch it at such a horrible time. Anyone had any experience getting the show moved to a more “viewer friendly” time slot?

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-01-28 19:03:47 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online

Once upon a time, WPHL in Philadelphia pulled Babylon-5 out of primetime and moved it to Saturday at Noon. Apparently they thought it was kid SCI-FI, besides they wanted the other time slot for Point Man. Several weeks later it was moved back into a night time slot.
The Philadelphia Science Fiction Sociaty would like to think that they had alot to do with the change of heart. I don’t really know…
Now, because of poor ratings, B-5 is being moved to a weekend afternoon time. Several wise voices have suggested that as long as they’re still carrying the show, there is still hope. I just need to confirm if it will be 3:00, as the paper suggests or 4:00PM, as I was told by WPHL.

Way Zim

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-01-28 19:40:49 EDT
From: LAR ICESK8
Posted on: America Online

I’ve contact WPHL twice to confirm the new airing schedule for B5. Both times I was told that it is on their schedule for Saturdays @ 4pm beginning on February 3rd with a new 3rd season episode. Thanks for the warning though about 3pm.

Subj: Atlanta, GA – Time Change !!
Date: 96-01-29 21:49:10 EDT
From: DSVaughn
Posted on: America Online

WATL 36 in Atlanta, is moving Babylon 5 to the 1:00am slot beginning on Feb. 5.

This just makes me SICK !!!!! I think I will go and VOMIT !!!!

I am glad my VCR is in prime shape, because I do not want to miss
my favorite show. I guess my local station, feels that my life can be enriched
by watching a bunch of sitcoms during normal viewing hours!

 

Subj: Philly Bab-5/TV GUIDE
Date: 96-01-31 15:13:06 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online
Jersey BAB-COM recently perused the newest issue of TV GUIDE for the week of 2/3 thro 2/9. It lists Babylon-5 on Saturday the third at 4:00PM. This was the time given by WPHL and confirmed by other posters. Keep checking your daily TV schedules just in case.
More reports as they come in, Thanks for the feedback.

South Jersey BAB-COM……Way Zim

Subj: San Antonio
Date: 96-02-01 22:00:22 EDT
From: ReyRamos
Posted on: America Online

B5 is back in San Antonio! An article in today’s paper says that KRRT (ch35, cable 7) will start carrying Babylon 5 on Sundays at 8 PM starting THIS Sunday (4 February).

We’re Back Baby!!!!!!!!
Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-02-02 22:34:21 EDT
From: Aaron500
Posted on: America Online

JMS,

“Have lots of women in skimpy costumes..”

you say that as if it were a bad thing? :)

Great show, lousy time slot in Austin (10:30pm on Sunday).

Aaron

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 96-02-02 22:34:51 EDT
From: MIKE GF ND
Posted on: America Online

B5 is the BEST sci fi concept to have come down the pike in a LONG TIME! Keep up the great work. Quality and continuity by far surpasses any production I have ever seen!

Subj: ratings
Date: 96-02-03 02:38:53 EDT
From: CyberJake1
Posted on: America Online

ok, here is my thought, since we had to endure 8 WEEKS of reruns, without ANY new material, several stations decided not to air the reruns. My local station in Houston changed the time from 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm, without telling anyone! I had to call up the station to figure out which day and time it was on! (tuesdays) And when the 1st new episode came out, (last week), it didn’t show on tuesday so i called them up AGAIN and asked, and they said their normal prime time spot since it was a new episode…..

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 96-02-03 15:13:46 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

IMHO, B5 is arguably the best SciFi series ever produced for TV.

Subj: B5 Rating influence airtime?
Date: 96-02-04 16:34:11 EDT
From: VGJP
Posted on: America Online

After reading the previous postings, it’s obvious there are a lot of people watching B5. And JMS was kind enough to let us know how well B5 stands in the numbers game.Yet, I am, along with many others in the SouthEast, forced to stay up ’til midnight or tape the show on Sunday night. Despite numerous letters and phone calls, the local stations have not put B5 back in a reasonable time slot. This leads me to believe the show will not continued to be aired here. What can we do?

Is there any possibility of the storyline being put to text and released as a series of novels (as the original storyline was intended)?

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
Subj: Re:W.Mich/B5
Date: 96-02-05 01:23:52 EDT
From: TKDTREK
Posted on: America Online

I am lucky, In Southwest Michigan(Bridgman), I can see B5 3 times a week, Twice on Fox 28 (7pm sat,3am sun nite,or mon morn) and my local cable(michiana) carries UPN 50 which airs at 9pm Thurs. I haven’t missed an episode, and I tape weekly(hardly ever home when on). I can’t get enough, love to watch it over and over. BTW, Why do the K Wings lose every time I go up for a game? Oh well, hope Alanis will make Wings Stadium enjoyable.

TKDTREK
Subj: Re:B5 Universe
Date: 96-02-05 10:11:15 EDT
From: Tarlaria
Posted on: America Online

I am a Babylon 5 fanatic and when our local station channel 6 in Augusta dropped Babylon 5, I rallied by posting a petition at our local Augusta Comic Convention and helped get people at the hospital that I work at to call our local FOX 54 station. Now FOX 54 is airing Babylon 5 but not at the best time slot: 1 am Monday mornings. However, Babylon 5 is back on the air. If your local station has dropped Babylon 5, let everybody know to call your local FOX station or any other station to air Babylon 5. It may not work everywhere but I am sure glad that our local FOX network decided to air it. Long live Babylon 5!!!

R. Henry Augusta, GA

 

Subj: Re:B5 in Atlanta
Date: 96-02-06 00:18:57 EDT
From: MBarnes423
Posted on: America Online

I spoke to the program director at WATL 36 here in Atlanta today to pledge my support for the show and ask him to keep it on the air. He said “we will” which is a good thing cos i’d hate to have to send a hundred letters a week and call him twenty times a day (calling ten times a day is hard enough). So thanks to all my fellow fans in Atlanta for writing and calling to show your support for the greatest sci-fi series ever.

Subj: B5 Phila.
Date: 96-02-07 01:24:55 EDT
From: PA7M8G55
Posted on: America Online

B5 was last I saw it on monday nite 9pm ch 17, before that thurs. nite, before that sat. afternoon, before thatthurs. nite, what’s up? were did it go this
time. anyone know?

Subj: Finally getting its due
Date: 96-02-07 22:24:50 EDT
From: RedQueen5
Posted on: America Online

Hey Everybody,
Check out the March issue of ‘SciFi Universe” and savor every bit of it, its been a long time coming. You can’t miss it, its the *cover* story! Just to give you a hint, the ToC reads “Behind the scenes of the show that’s quietly taking the science fiction world by storm.”

Later,
Red

Subj: bogus rerun/letter writing
Date: 96-02-08 21:36:24 EDT
From: Lady Heron
Posted on: America Online

I just finished whipping off two letters.
One ( and I was in rare form) to my local station who moved B5 to 1AM Sunday morning. I explain to them that B5 is the best Sci fi on TV and that it would become a classic. I also told them that I was glad that my cable has the Athens, channel 34 because they show B5 at 8PmSat. Boy, did I feel better after that one. :)

Warner Bros. received a letter voicing my support for the show.
Thanks JMS.
As for Warner Bros. saying we would be confused about different commanders… pleeeeeease!
Karen

Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-02-08 21:44:01 EDT
From: Lady Heron
Posted on: America Online

WATL-FOX
One Monroe Pl.
Atlanta, GA 30324
404 – 881-3600

Write or call ….Thanks

Subj: Re:B5 Phila.
Date: 96-02-09 12:14:09 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online
Please check my posts under Philly B-5, earlier in this and other folders. WPHL(17) now shows Babylon 5 on Saturdays at 4:00PM in the afternoon. They have done this because of the poor ratings it recieved in its Monday time slot.
i don’t know where you go on this board to make them change station times but as soon as we find out we’d better get the change initiated. If you check my earlier posts you will also find the station( WPHL) address and phone number. They will repsond to fan letters and calls but please be polite. let them know where you fit into thier demographics( age, occupation, even if you are currently just a student) they respond better to this info.
You will only be one episode down( Voices Of Authority debuted last week) but keep the faith. Any further developments will be noted as they come in( and as I recieve them.)

South Jersey BAB-COM…… Way Zim

Subj: B5: Philly # 17 fax number
Date: 96-02-10 15:50:13 EDT
From: Espinal6
Posted on: America Online

In addition to a phone number, those with FAX machines might note Channel 17’s number: 215-877-4912

Subj: AtlantaRatingsWar
Date: 96-02-11 05:54:16 EDT
From: TKoonts101
Posted on: America Online

At great personal expense to my self, I am planning a microcon for B5 to show Arc episodes to
intoduce people to B5. There will be no charge to attend and there be free soda and popcorn
plus prizes of B5 merchandise. It is still in the planning stage but I am looking at say 4th sunday
in March, but I could use some Help. If interested in helping or info about time and loaction
call Tony @ 770-394-5977. I hope WB doesnt mind me showing episodes to help there show
which they seem not to give a hoot about, seeing as here it now plays at 1 a.m. sun morning (sat nite).
We will also be circulating petitions at local comic stores to make the local affiliate aware of the
number of fans of this show. A show that is far superior in story to my once favorite Star Trek.

TJRanger

Subj: los angeles ratings
Date: 96-02-11 06:51:39 EDT
From: PageSchool
Posted on: America Online

Thank god i live in Los Angeles, we get Babylon 5 on Thursday nights at 9 pm right after deep space 9 at 8, furthermore they both repeat on Sunday night at the same respective times. I guess there are other advantages besides the 80 degree weather that we’ve been having. Considering the competition its up against Seinfeld it must have a loyal niche following and deservedly so with the Advent of the shadow war this show rocks big time.

good luck to you all

pat

Subj: Panic!
Date: 96-02-12 15:34:40 EDT
From: Firner
Posted on: America Online

At the end of last season, my local station stopped airing the Wednsday slot for B5. I paniced with the thought that the series was being dropped. I began taping every show after that so I would at least have a little of the series to hang on to. I was elated to learn there is a 3rd season! I keep taping them however (I wished I taped the entire 1st and 2nd season).

Subj: Re:AtlantaRatingsWar
Date: 96-02-13 20:34:17 EDT
From: Lady Heron
Posted on: America Online

C’mon Atlantans Let’s get together… Unite…..
Subj: **Whew**
Date: 96-02-13 21:05:37 EDT
From: Jerusha000
Posted on: America Online

I ventured into this folder with trepidation, because I’ve been subject to rumors of B5’s possible demise. Skimming through the posts — especially JMS’ — I am now breathing easier.

I’m old enough to remember when Classic Trek had its original run. I cut my teeth on stuff like “Land of the Giants” and “Lost in Space.” I wandered between programs like “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine” and “Sea Quest” feeling as if I dined on bread and water.

Finally, I succumbed to a friend’s temptation to watch this Babylon 5, at least once. I did. And now I’m hooked. I only regret I waited one and a half seasons to do so.

Babylon 5 and X-Files are the only shows I look forward to seeing.

Here’s someone in your corner, JMS. I will call KJZZ tomorrow and urge them to keep carrying your masterpiece!

Rue

Subj: Re:**Whew**
Date: 96-02-13 22:39:20 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

While I agree that B5 is the best that TV has to offer, another great, developing series is
Space: Above and Beyond. The last episode was fantastic.

Subj: Syndicated ratings:1/28/96
Date: 96-02-14 02:45:20 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

Here is the latest TV syndicated ratings for one-hour dramatic shows for week ending 1/28/96

5. Journeys of Hercules,
12. Xena,
16. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine,
19. Baywatch,
20. Outer Limits
31. Land’s End

33. Highlander (Tie)
33. Renegade (Tie)

38. One West Waikiki (Tie)
38. Baywatch Nights (Tie)

50. Kung Fu
54. Babylon 5
65. Forever Knight
71.Lonesome Dove

 

 

 

Subj: Babylon 5 Ratings
Date: 96-02-14 22:51:18 EDT
From: SLeshin174
Posted on: America Online

I am glad to hear that Jms is not worried about the ratings for B5. It is without question the best sci-fi show on the air. The quality of the writing is apparent in each episode. The characters are becoming more complex, and interesting. Let the whole 5 year story be told!

 

Subj: TV Guide – Write a letter
Date: 96-02-17 02:32:10 EDT
From: MDI Bergen
Posted on: America Online

Greetings!

The Feb 17 issue of TV Guide features Star Trek Voyager on the cover – again. I have nothing against Star Trek, but it would be nice to see Babylon 5 get some attention too.

So I would like to suggest that everyone take a moment to write to TV Guide and thank them for their coverage of science fiction and ask when they will be doing a feature on Babylon 5 – the best science fiction show on TV.

You might want to mention that the show is nearing the halfway point in its five-year story arc. This will give the writer a potential hook for the story.

So turn on your printer and tell TV Guide what a great show Babylon 5 is. Soon we may see our heroes smiling at us from the magazine racks of supermarkets and drug stores around the country.

Here is the address:

Letters Department
TV Guide
Radnor, PA 19088

I have a potential e-mail address and will post that once I have verified whether it is correct.

Thanks,
Peace,
Mike Ingbritson

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Ratings
Date: 96-02-17 05:40:19 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

<I am glad to hear that Jms is not worried about the <ratings for B5.

I don’t find that a very credible statement, there’s isn’t a TV producer on this planet who doesn’t worry about the numbers. It doesn’t matter if your on top or bottom, every producer watches the numbers like a hawk.

 

Ford A. Thaxton (Fordat@aol.coM)

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 The MOTION PIC
Date: 96-02-17 19:59:26 EDT
From: Super RCB
Posted on: America Online

Why noy free ourselves from syndicators and go for the big screen? B5 is intelligent and more than the ST`s. No phony transporters and phasers. JMS you have lottsa support. Please think about it!

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 The MOTION PIC
Date: 96-02-18 01:49:27 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

At the moment, that’s not my choice, you need a big studio backing you for a big movie. Also, B5 was primarily *designed* for TV, this is the venue I’d prefer to work in for this. You’d have to do 55 movies to tell the whole story, and you couldn’t do much arc stuff in it, because it would have to be fairly self-contained. The good wishes are appreciated, though.

jms
Subj: B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-18 02:00:52 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

The figures have come in for our first non-rerun episode, “Voices of Authority.” The numbers of any show always drop in reruns; something that some folks tend to avoid mentioning when they just post figures without noting these things. But moving on….

While KUNG FU, in its new episode, went from #50 to #61 for the week in syndicated shows (this is out of 257 syndicated shows total, btw), B5 surged from #54 to #41, with a 3.5 rating, well above that which is guaranteed to advertisers.

(DS9 continues to wobble; #16 last week, and #15 this week; they haven’t been in the top ten for a while now. This in reply to some who asked for a relative positioning.)

At #41 out of 257 shows, B5 is in the top 1/6th of all syndicated shows overall, about the top 16% or thereabouts. In terms of drama shows, B5 is in the top 10 of all drama shows for that period, at #8.

So far, so good.

jms
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-19 00:49:53 EDT
From: TrboTurtle
Posted on: America Online

Sounds good to me……

Turtle

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-19 04:03:14 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

After being chewed out for posting “edited” information when I listed ratings a few weeks ago, I just have to laugh that there was finally a week when JMS had good B5 news to report, and his only other information is that DS9 is “wobbling” because it’s not in the top 10 during a non-rerun week for the first time in many moons. Guess I now have free license to “edit” information any way I please…..

Randy
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-19 04:46:39 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

You’re such a yutz, Randy….

jms
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-19 14:23:59 EDT
From: MYamanishi
Posted on: America Online

Are these syndicated ratings available to the public in any way? Such as Variety, Hollywood Insider, or whatever? Or is the full list restricted to those who purchase the information?

David
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-19 14:59:41 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

>>Are these syndicated ratings available to the public in any way? Such as Variety, Hollywood Insider, or whatever? Or is the full list restricted to those who purchase the information?<<

Variety and Broadcasting magazines print weekly lists of syndicated ratings, but they usually only have the top 20 shows, so B5 is not usually included. However, TV critic Jefferson Graham lists all the hour-long dramas in his listing on Prodigy.

Randy
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-19 15:00:53 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

>>You’re such a yutz, Randy….<<

We’ll see next week, I suspect.

Randy

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-20 00:27:27 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

“>>You’re such a yutz, Randy….<<

We’ll see next week, I suspect.

Randy”

 

Next week, the ratings may go up, the ratings may go down. But next week you’ll *still* be a yutz.

jms
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-20 05:08:30 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

This Message is Addressed to Randy:

Why, oh why, if you do not care for B5 as a show do you feel the need to drop by this Message Board? I remember the flares that went up some weeks ago between you and JMS, and No, my memory didn’t need refreshing to recall the incident even though you felt the need to remind everyone about it. However, I just don’t get it. Do you perceive B5 to be some sort of a threat against DS9? Or Voyager? The latter of which is totally and completely awful BTW. I’m afraid that not even Q can save a show which remains in desperate need of good writers regardless of the producers remain intent on ignoring this simple fact.

Subj: Philly B-5 Letters
Date: 96-02-20 11:02:20 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online

 

Well Kiddies, South Jersey BAB COM just finished sending off his letters to show his support for this outstanding show. One has gone to TV GUIDE with the politely drawn message that we would like to see a few articles about Babylon 5( Enuff with the Trek Love fest, already.. I note that a popular film mag Cinefantasique has the same mind set)
The second letter was to my Local TV affiliate( WPHL 17) to show my support of their showing of Babylon 5 ( in any time slot) and the continued support of the station if they will keep on believing in B-5 ( at least until it finishes its 5 year story arc.. :) )
The last letter was to the Philadelphia Inquirer and to the Entertainment Dept to nicely suggest that they might take another look at Babylon 5.
The only reason I bring this up is the old line delivered by a general to his soldiers. ” Boys. I wouldn’t ask you to do anything I wasn’t willing to do myself. ”
Well, that is three letters to start and more to come as the need arises. Let’s get those cards and calls out in support of our Fav SF program…. Thank you all for your posts and E’s in the past. Check my earlier posts under Philly B-5 for addresses and letter writing suggestions. More info as it comes in.

Sount Jersey BAB COM…Way Zim

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-20 17:54:43 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

>>Next week, the ratings may go up, the ratings may go down. But next week you’ll *still* be a yutz.<<

This message is addressed to Gary:

Why do I come here every so often? Where else can I enjoy such a calm, rational discussion?

Randy
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-21 19:04:48 EDT
From: Billbo25
Posted on: America Online

Let’s just ignore the yutz, he’ll get bored and go away….I suspect the storyline of B5 is just too complicated for this individual.
Billbo25

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-21 23:48:45 EDT
From: Joe2m
Posted on: America Online

Agreed, Randy was either pushed around by bully when he was gowing up or was the bully…perhaps we should have pity on one who doesn’t believe in minding his own business.

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-22 01:50:15 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

Randy is clearly not a knowledgeable SciFi enthusiast. Anyone who is would quickly see the depth of the storyline, something akin to a good epic novel series. Not many other TV series,
SciFi or not, can boast this sort of consistency.

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-22 04:03:47 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

Randy,

>>Next week, the ratings may go up, the ratings may go down. But next week you’ll *still* be a yutz.<<

>>>This message is addressed to Gary:
Why do I come here every so often? Where else can I enjoy such a calm, rational discussion?<<<

Since the quote didn’t come from me I don’t see how it applies. The only meaning I get from your remark is that you have a perverse desire to tweek JMS and get tweeked by him in return.

 

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-22 04:06:20 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Randy is clearly not a knowledgeable SciFi enthusiast. Anyone who is would quickly see the depth of the storyline, something akin to a good epic novel series. Not many other TV series,
SciFi or not, can boast this sort of consistency.<<

Randy is your typical current day Trek fan, willing to take whatever bilge is offered up from either DS9 or Voyager to be acceptable and completely unwilling or unable to acknowledge that B5 is better than what either of those other two series’ have to offer.

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-22 15:51:45 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

This doesn’t have much to do with ratings, so I’ll be as brief as I can.

>>Since the quote didn’t come from me I don’t see how it applies.<<
Then let me explain it to you. Just after JMS used a personal put-down, you asked why I come here. I responded that (with obvious tongue-in-cheek, I thought) that I enjoyed the “calm, rational” discussion. Guess you had to be there.

>>The only meaning I get from your remark is that you have a perverse desire to tweek JMS and get tweeked by him in return.<<
First off, it’s “tweak,” not “tweek.” And the reason I posted a few days ago is because a few weeks ago a B5er asked me to post ratings information I had for syndicated shows. After I did, JMS accused me of deliberately “editing” the information to bash B5, to which I responded that I posted all the info I had. A few days ago, JMS posted ratings for B5 and took a swipe at DS9 with no apparent worry that he was being hypocritical. I called him on it, and he responded with personal insults. JMS and I have tangled before and we undoubtedly will tangle again. That’s pretty much it.

Randy

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-22 15:58:39 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

Now here’s a quote from you, so you should understand my respohse.

>>Randy is your typical current day Trek fan, willing to take whatever bilge is offered up from either DS9 or Voyager to be acceptable and completely unwilling or unable to acknowledge that B5 is better than what either of those other two series’ have to offer.<<
Nice oversimplification. Guess you never go to the Trek area. For the record, I’m a big fan of the first Trek, really didn’t like TNG, really like DS9 and think Voyager is struggling but has had some good scripts recently. As for me–or anyone else, for that matter–being “unwilling or unable to acknowledge that B5 is better than what either of those two series have to offer,” that’s your opinion. There’s a difference between saying “That’s bad” and saying “I don’t like that.” The first is a slam on those who like what you don’t; the second acknowledges that there’s a difference of opinion.

Randy

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-23 18:04:14 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>First off, it’s “tweak,” not “tweek.”<<

Nitpick, nitpick, and of course, I only posted the message at 3:00 in the morning. Regardless, you knew what I meant.

>>And the reason I posted a few days ago is because a few weeks ago a B5er asked me to post ratings information I had for syndicated shows. After I did, JMS accused me of deliberately “editing” the information to bash B5, to which I responded that I posted all the info I had. A few days ago, JMS posted ratings for B5 and took a swipe at DS9 with no apparent worry that he was being hypocritical. I called him on it, and he responded with personal insults.<<

I told you that I remembered this. What I don’t understand, however, is your need to continually come by a Section for a program that you apparently don’t even like. What’s the point? Do you have a need to prove that Voyager and\or DS9 are simply better than B5 or something? If so, you’d be wrong<g>, but I just don’t get it.

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-23 18:16:42 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Randy is your typical current day Trek fan, willing to take whatever bilge is offered up from either DS9 or Voyager to be acceptable and completely unwilling or unable to acknowledge that B5 is better than what either of those other two series’ have to offer.<< –My comment(which I stand by BTW).

<<Nice oversimplification.>>
I don’t think so. I think it explains in a nutshell exactly the kind of fanatical mindset some Trek fans have, and how they refuse to acknowledge anything else as Sci Fi unless it’s Trek, and if it’s not, then it’s bilge. Forget about movies here for a minute, I’m restricting my comments to television, and while I grew up as a devout and even fanatical TOS fan, I did come to realize that it wasn’t the center of the universe. There is other Sci Fi out there worthy of viewing, and which may even be better in its own way than what I enjoyed in the Trek universe.

<<Guess you never go to the Trek area.>>

Actually I do go there, and apparently you’ve never noticed. In fact, if you were to take a look in the Record Banks Section under Fiction you’ll see that I’ve even uploaded a spec script of my own for TNG there last March.

<<For the record, I’m a big fan of the first Trek, really didn’t like TNG, really like DS9 and think Voyager is struggling but has had some good scripts recently.>>

I agree with you on TOS, would only concede your point on TNG depending on which years of the show you’re talking about, and if you mean overall that TNG was not to your liking, then I would say that apparently you weren’t paying much attention to it in the first place. DS9 has only had very few episodes that I would consider to be of exceptionally good quality in my opinion, and Voyager with the exception of perhaps 2 or 3 episodes at most has proven to be an abysmally awful, series with writers who should be working on a Saturday morning kids show as opposed to prime time science fiction for adults. And finally, your statements regarding DS9 and Voyager prove that what I stated about you mindset as a fan is correct: you’re out to defend the current incarnations of Trek regardless of how bankrupt they may or may not be, and any show which you perceive as a threat to your chosen franchise is subject to your attack.
Case closed.

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-23 18:32:34 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

That previous posting went out ahead of schedule, so here’s the rest of what I didn’t address there.

>>As for me–or anyone else, for that matter–being “unwilling or unable to acknowledge that B5 is better than what either of those two series have to offer,” that’s your opinion. There’s a difference between saying “That’s bad” and saying “I don’t like that.” The first is a slam on those who like what you don’t; the second acknowledges that there’s a difference of opinion.<<

I think there’s a difference between disagreeing on a story of *substance* and *decent writing* as opposed to something that’s obviously substandard. Recognizing that something is substandard may cross the line of “opinions” depending on who you’re talking to, but when something’s bad and it’s obvious, then it’s just bad. Take “Threshold” from Voyager for instance, an episode which was just plain awful, I don’t care what kind of a spin you try to put on it. It ignored all previous episodes of all forms of Trek to make the story(Warp 10 was not an impossibility which had never been reached –Warp 11 was reached in TOS if you recall, and no, the crew members of that Enterprise did not find and see themselves “everywhere” once they reached that speed), which was just plain dumb anyway! The Doctor: “I believe he is evolving into what humans will eventually become given enough time.” And what is that? –A giant slug! PLEASE!!!! It’s bilge my friend, and just to show you that I can and do give credit where credit is due, let me just point out the episode that aired the week following this atrocity of an episode, the one titled “Meld”. Now this was a quality piece of entertainment, well written, well performed, and thought provoking —three things that are almost always consistently and noticeably absent from Voyager without fail. You may not want to give B5 any credit out of a sense of stubbornness, but Voyager can’t hold a candle to it my friend because overall it’s just garbage.
Ciao.

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-24 02:28:19 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

Gary, we are obviously going to disagree on many of your points. I do want to mention that there are a number of folks online–including some in the B5 area–who disagree with every one of your evaluations of the various Treks, even though I realize you probably just consider them to be wrong, too.

A couple of quick points: The warp speed scale was changed at the onset of The Next Generation and was in effect for several years before “Threshold,” which I too disliked, especially the appearance of Bud, Why and Zer at the end. I also thought “Meld” was a good episode.

By the way, I’d like to take your previous three posts, remove all of your personal information and references to Babylon 5, and post them in a thread in The Neutral Zone section of the Star Trek area to start a discussion there. Interested?

Randy

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-24 05:29:40 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>By the way, I’d like to take your previous three posts, remove all of your personal information and references to Babylon 5, and post them in a thread in The Neutral Zone section of the Star Trek area to start a discussion there. Interested?<<

What for, to start a War? You said it yourself, there are many people who would disagree with my opinions on a lot of my perceptions on Trek, but that doesn’t mean that they’re wrong or without basis. My view of the current day Trekker(to qualify what I mean by this, I’m talking about the fans with a fanatical mindset) was summarized pretty well and that’s my view, so why ask to have grenades launched my way when I know what would await me? You see, I know a futile fight when I see one, and I know there’s just no changing the minds of the people I disagree with where Trek is concerned, so why bother? You on the other hand feel the need to come by here and post messages in a Section that focuses on a show you don’t even care for, so why do you bother? You’re not going to change the minds of anyone over here either, so don’t waste your time. Life is simply too short.
I note that you chose to agree with me about “Meld,” but totally sidestepped giving an opinion about the episode other than to say that you disliked a technical point within the story’s framework. However, that’s a far cry from saying that it just plain stunk, which it did, as you and I both know. The bottom line is that much too much of Voyager is that poor in quality. As for DS9, it started off the season with two excellent episodes, then wavered again, giving us more of the same dull stuff. Don’t get me wrong, there are a few I’ve seen this season that I liked since the premiere and the episode that followed it, but a lot that they’ve given us so far is also reminiscent of the same vacancy that we’ve seen all too often in DS9 over the last few years where substance is concerned.

 

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-24 17:35:40 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

>>What for, to start a War?<<
Actually, I’d hoped for an interesting discussion on how Star Trek fans view themselves. But since you’re not in favor of reposting your comments, I won’t follow up on it.

>> I note that you chose to agree with me about “Meld,” but totally sidestepped giving an opinion about the episode other than to say that you disliked a technical point within the story’s framework. However, that’s a far cry from saying that it just plain stunk, which it did, as you and I both know.<<
Because you’ve been grumbling so bitterly about my posting in this area, I thought I’d keep my comments brief, and I don’t see how saying that I disliked the episode is sidestepping giving an opinion about it. Maybe this will suffice: I DISLIKED the episode!!!!!!!!!!

Randy

Subj: RE: Philly B-5 letters
Date: 96-02-25 01:50:04 EDT
From: B2B Fenner
Posted on: America Online

Thanks for the address/phone number, WayZim! Unfortunately, you forgot a digit in the zip, but I’ll use the number to call WPHL 17. My husband and I both love B-5; we’ve been watching it from the start, although we prefer the Monday night slot. We live in Wilmington, DE, so we’re at the mercy of the Philly stations.

Subj: ratings
Date: 96-02-25 02:55:45 EDT
From: RichardCam
Posted on: America Online

Yeah! Like Star Trek! Whoever is writing the story lines is plugged into the future. We’re getting info before it’s happening. Sorta like prophesy. Not surprised the ratings arent’t there. The show’s too real. So. What do we do? Maybe we should call Harlan (Elison)? Does he have e-mail. I’m sure he would lend a hand, or pen, I should say.

–richardcam

Subj: Doing My Part
Date: 96-02-25 19:47:15 EDT
From: WifeAgain
Posted on: America Online

I only get on once a week & log everything to read later, so if I step on any toes or say something said before, please forgive. My thought: I think ratings and those who follow them are ridiculous. One nice thing about the electronic wave would be if sponsors & executives could have a wider range of homes to judge by then a few people here & there, mostly in big cities. Apparently not many of them watch the same thing I do. However, I’m doing what I can to boost the ratings: writing the sponsors, writing the station who carry B5 (and the one who dropped it!) etc. If anybody knows a way I can do more, please post it. May B5 live and prosp….ooohs, sorry.

Subj: WDZL-Possible S.Fla Cancel
Date: 96-02-25 22:19:14 EDT
From: Delgarth
Posted on: America Online

There was a mention of possible cancellation of B5 in the “Sun-Sentinels” TV book last week. I just thought it should be known.

Subj: Philly B-5 /WPHL Address
Date: 96-02-26 01:38:18 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online

 

South Jersey BAB COM apologizes for the address goof from an earlier post. For Those B-5 fan who want to write Philadelphia station WPHL 17, here is the Full Address.

WPHL 17
5001 Wynnfield Ave
Philadelphia, PA 19131
(215) 878-1700

happy writing to all…… South Jersey BAB COM……Way Zim

Subj: WWOR-TV, UPN 9
Date: 96-02-26 22:55:07 EDT
From: RedQueen5
Posted on: America Online

Just received a reply to the letter I sent to the UPN 9 here in NY. BTW, the first time I wrote (about 6 months ago) I only got back a post card. Anyway, it was a very nice letter from Leslie Glenn (signed in ink no less!), the Director of Programming and Creative Services at WWOR, thanking me for my comments and interest in BABYLON 5; stating how important it is that they here from their viewership. It said and I quote:
“We have received many letters from BABYLON 5 fans asking if WWOR-TV, UPN 9 had plans on cancelling the show. The answer is, as long as BABYLON 5 is being produced, WWOR-TV will continue to broadcast it.”

For what its worth, thought you all might like to know that some stations out there are committed to this as well.

Later
Red
Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-27 02:34:54 EDT
From: Sable229
Posted on: America Online

Randy–you are such a dork–jms is being too polite with you

Subj: Re:Randy the dork
Date: 96-02-27 02:37:23 EDT
From: Sable229
Posted on: America Online

He is still a dork and I suspect he will continue to bother us because he is such a pea-brain. But then if the thought with his big head he may learn
to like the show.

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-27 04:59:15 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

Randy,

>>Maybe this will suffice: I DISLIKED the episode!!!!!!!!!!<<

Yes, you did say that, my mistake I apologize. I rereaed your message over again and you hand’t said what I thought. Obviously it was a misunderstanding on my part no doubt due to the fact that I must have read your message too quickly, or found myself distracted while reading it(I think it was the former).
At any rate, “Threshold” is a perfect example as to why Voyager is invariably bilge and can’t stand up to B5 –that was the point I was trying to make.
I’d also like to thank you for respecting my wishes and not posting my comments in the Trek Section. Like I said, what would be the point? It would only have been an excercise in futility.

 

Subj: B-5 Pilot/Movie Crit
Date: 96-02-27 11:58:01 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online

 

South Jersey BAB COM found this entry for Babylon 5 in the latest issue of John Stanley’s Creature Features ( Strikes Again) movie guide. it was placed between BABY DOLL MURDERS(92) and BABY: SECRET OF THE LOST LEGEND(85).
BABYLON 5(93) TV Pilot in the vein of DEEP SPACE NINE, depicting life aboard a seven mile long space station that serves as a neutral zone for governments hailing from different solar systems. Someone is trying to destroy Babylon 5 and it’s up to Commander Jeffrey Sinclear to find out who-or what.
Imaginative amalgam of space hardware, space age costumes, exotic alien life forms, model work and computer generated graphics, so well produced that this led to a syndicated series. Jerry Doyle, Tomlyn Tomita. Created by J. M Straczynski.

South Jersey BAB COM…… Way Zim

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings Info
Date: 96-02-27 18:48:03 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

No problem, Gary. See you in the Star Trek area.
Randy

Subj: Syndicated rations 2-04-96
Date: 96-03-01 03:01:16 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

Here is the latest ratings for one-hour first run drama’s for the week ending 2/04/96.

9. Hercules,
13. Baywatch,
14. Star Trek: deep Space Nine,
16. Xena
26. Land’s End
27. Outer Limits
38.Highlander (tie)
38. Babylon 5 (tie)
39. Renegade
52. Lazarus Man
56. One West Waikiki
59. Kung Fu
62. Flipper
80. Forever Knight
Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-03-01 17:40:13 EDT
From: Tracjam
Posted on: America Online

To any of you old enough remember when they first wanted to cancel the original star trek, it was the audience who got them to keep it going!!!! You need to be HEARD by the powers that be.

Subj: to jms and everyone else
Date: 96-03-01 23:53:11 EDT
From: Keatah
Posted on: America Online

What a wonderful show this is. Far far more enticing than ds9 and voyager. Those two shows depend too much on force fields and transporters. Things happen too easily. And I can always say “Why not get the transporter” multiple times throughout the show. Too many beam-outs..etc.. That’s old stuff. All this split-second timing crap, ugh..

b5’s got these great surprises at the end. And really! They aren’t always on a positive note. Whereas star trek gets these soap-opera happy endings. hey, don’t we have a soap writer for voyager..?? The real kicker is the lived-in look. the mess, the outpost feel. etc etc..

Starfleet is too ideal. Earth Alliance?? check out the problems.

The security cells and main office?? Looks like a jail.

 

Subj: Re:B-5 Pilot/Movie Crit
Date: 96-03-01 23:57:35 EDT
From: Keatah
Posted on: America Online

Yeh, i liked the pilot. And it was cool. There was so much to introduce in those two hours. But just compare it to today’s episodes. How incredibly corny..

Subj: Syndicated ratings: 2/11/96
Date: 96-03-02 02:26:12 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

Here is the latest national syndicated ratings for the week ending 2/11/96. This listing covers first run syndicated one hour programs.

7. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, 7.0
9. Journeys of Hercules, 6.5
13. Xena, 5.7
15. Baywatch, 5.2
20. Outer Limits, 4.7

I only have total rankings (But no other information) for the following shows.

25. Land’s End
31.Baywatch Nights
36. Renegade
37. Highlander
43. One West Waikiki (Tie)
43. Babylon 5 (Tie)
50. Kung Fu
52, Lazarus Man
69. Lonesome Dove
75. Forever Knight

 

Subj: TV Guide Response
Date: 96-03-02 14:32:20 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online

 

South Jersey BAB COM had written a polite letter to TV Guide. I was concerned over the snubbing of B-5 in thier celebration of Sci-Fi and Fantasy(Jan 20). I give a brief explaination of the advances which Babylon 5 had made in both plot and character development since the shaky yr one start-up. I concluded with a vote of appreciation if they might do a B-5 article in a future issue. Today I received a post card from the TV Guide Reader’s Service. It goes as follows.

Dear Mr Zimmerman:
Thank you for your comments concerning TV Guide’s January 20 Sci-Fi and Fantasy Issue. Our editors are interested in readers’ opinions, and we have passed your letter on to them.

sincerely, Helene Curley. For The Editors.

> Our Editors are interested in readers opinions.< Sounds like a mandate to me, kiddies. Send those cards and letters to let TV Guide know what we think about B-5. Be polite and appreciative of thier attention( in other words…kiss major tail…. :) ). The address is…

LETTERS DEPT
TV GUIDE
RADNER, PA 19088

More information as it comes in. Hopefully I will get a response from an editor…if not….keep those cards and letters flowing. B-5…we are legion…. :)

South Jersey BAB COM…….. Way Zim

Subj: Ratings
Date: 96-03-02 15:05:12 EDT
From: WifeAgain
Posted on: America Online

Ratings are like statistics — they can be manipulated to tell what you want. Just ask only a certain group and – vola! you get what you want. I don’t believe in ratings…unfortunately too many tv executives & ad people do. I wish they’d wake up. Reminds me of the poll taken that proved Dwey (sp?) would beat Truman. And how true that was (but they only asked Republicans who had telephones!).

Subj: Re:B5 Universe
Date: 96-03-02 23:37:08 EDT
From: Dutch
Posted on: America Online

Here in LA, B5 is reliably found in prime time on one of the major independant stations (Thanks, KCOP!) but gets moved to a new night for the duration of Basketball season. Who would want to watch B-Ball when B5 is on, anyway?

Strangely enough, when I get out of LA for a weekend, I can find B% on 3 different stations in Santa Barbara. Neat!

Subj: Re:Syndicated ratings: 2/11/96
Date: 96-03-03 02:56:51 EDT
From: ErinIsberg
Posted on: America Online

Babylon is categoried in 43 out of what? From what I know of ratings, they’re usually read from certain shows being watched. Now the thing is, we do not know where they are being “watched”. There’s usually variety of shows throughout the USA and different sets of loyalties. Who know, those ratings may be in the wrong place and theres lot more of us around! Babylon supporters arise!

Subj: Re:Panic!
Date: 96-03-03 11:21:39 EDT
From: CCIP
Posted on: America Online

Me too!!
Wished I had the forsight to do the same.
Long Live B5!!!

Subj: VCR ATE B-5
Date: 96-03-04 00:31:46 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online

 

Major Crisis… :( …Came home from a late nights work at my job on Saturday nite, ready to plop down and watch Babylon 5. I got 3 minutes of Point Of No Return and my VCR glitched.
No show…No B-5…. Its the end of the world as we know it. .. (LOL)
A lady friend taped it on her set and she’s making a copy for me…. There is…a God.
Way Zim

Subj: Re:Syndicated ratings: 2/11/
Date: 96-03-04 06:19:23 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

There are usually anywhere from 250 to 275 or more syndicated shows every week; at #43 or 38 out of that, we’re in the top 15-20%.

jms
Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 96-03-05 17:09:35 EDT
From: ElGreadius
Posted on: America Online

I am shocked to see many of you complain about your local TV stations ratings of B5. It is, clearly, the best Sci-Fi show there is, and the people in central florida are showing that. B5 originally aired at 10pm on Tuesdays, then 10pm on sundays, now 10pm on Fridays AFTER X-FILES!! Clearly it has a bost from the X-Files, a highly rated ALMOST Sci-Fi show. I have never had any problem finding it, and have seen it advertised regularay. Its sad to see that a great show is having so much trouble finding a home.

Subj: South Fla stays!!!!
Date: 96-03-08 08:55:30 EDT
From: Delgarth
Posted on: America Online

Previously, it looked bad for B5. This was the impression given by the local TV book. After writing the station direcly, the status is that as long as B5 is being made, it will play on WDZL in Florida. Although, still late at night. huzah!!!!

Subj: Conundrum
Date: 96-03-12 00:39:24 EDT
From: TCairns75
Posted on: America Online

Folks, Here is the real question. Since the WB network is going so well in so many places, why hasn’t WB used B5 as it’s anchor show like UPN has?

Oh, and by the way, Randy, get a life, there is plenty of room on the airwaves for both DS9, Voyager, and B5. Each has it’s own guilty pleasures and should be weighed on their own merit, not against one another, TNG or even the orignial Trek. If you like it… great, if you don’t, my mother always told me that if you have nothing good to say, don’t say it. ‘Nuff said.
Subj: Messages to WB
Date: 96-03-12 07:47:56 EDT
From: JOHN DANT
Posted on: America Online

If anyone has the address/protocol for sending B5 support to Warner Brothers, both snail-mail and/or E-mail, Please post it. Also, I’m looking for a copy of Babylon Squared episode, any help appreciated.
John

Subj: B5 CANCELLED
Date: 96-03-12 22:30:08 EDT
From: Vidio
Posted on: America Online

I have it from a very reliable source that Warner has decided not to continue producing the B5 series and so it will not be available to stations next season. Those stations now running the show have been notified that it will not return to production.
What’s up Warners?

Subj: Re:B5 CANCELLED
Date: 96-03-12 22:38:37 EDT
From: VSeidel220
Posted on: America Online

I will believe that statement only if I hear it from jms.
Victoria

Subj: Re:B5 CANCELLED
Date: 96-03-13 12:52:57 EDT
From: B5 Online
Posted on: America Online

The comment is no comment.

It’s amazing these so called rumors get started started up, even before the meetings are held in May. Your reliable source doesn’t happen to own one of the psychic huts over on Sunset would he? ;>

Subj: Re:Conundrum
Date: 96-03-13 19:06:07 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Warner Bros. is not so much a monolithic company as a series of mutually competing divisions. WBN and PTEN are totally different entities, and there’s almost no chance of overlap.

jms
Subj: Re: B5 CANCELLED
Date: 96-03-13 23:07:15 EDT
From: Harokin
Posted on: America Online

Dear JMS,
I am curious as to why you have not made a direct response to the original cancellation post?
If things are looking bad, please let us know so that we can help in any way.

Thanks,
Harokin

Subj: B5 CANCEL?/Get A Grip.
Date: 96-03-14 02:46:09 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online
South Jersey BAB COM here….
Jittery people do not help support shows, gang. Unless the Chicken Littles who kick posting that Babylon 5 is falling have some legit line to JMS or production coordinators at WB/PTEN, get a grip people.
I advise that fans who like B-5 let your stations, local and national entertainment rags, WB and others know this. Send letters and cards. Give your name, age and occupation( student included) along with your address and a day-time phone number.
Stations like demographics, which is the reason to include personal info, so they can pin-point audiences for specific time slots. TV Guide and other entertainment mags get opinion and info out to the public. Positive press helps alot, gang.
When you write or call, do not use profanity( sounds obvious but then look at some of these flame posts) do compliment the stations on showing B-5. DO NOT use fears words like CANCELATION, it puts the Network and their affiliates on the defensive. Be support, be encouraging and above all BE POSITIVE.
Hope this helps, please search out my other posts for more info on campaigning for B-5.

South Jersey BAB COM……Way Zim

Subj: Re:B5 CANCEL?/Get A Grip.
Date: 96-03-14 05:30:25 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

I’m relatively certain that the people who continually start these rumors about B5 being cancelled are actually nothing more than petty, immature Trek fanatics who perceive the show as a threat to their franchise and who are intent on seeing it eliminated permanently. They are small people who have never progressed to an adult personality and frame of mind, perhaps not very unlike the alternate juror sitting in on the Whitewater trial who comes into Court every day dressed in a TNG uniform. Such people need to get a grip on reality and their own lives.

Subj: Re:B5 CANCEL?/Get A Grip.
Date: 96-03-14 18:16:07 EDT
From: SeeJester
Posted on: America Online

I know one thing for sure. This Tuesday, when I sat down to watch B5 as I’ve done for years now, it didn’t come on. No explanation, not even a warning through out the week. It just didn’t come on.

All I want to know is: WHY?

Subj: SeeJester
Date: 96-03-14 19:36:39 EDT
From: ZenGEOS
Posted on: America Online

I suggest you contact your local station and ask them that (which ever station you watch that airs B5.)

Mark_

Subj: Re:B5 CANCEL?/Get A Grip.
Date: 96-03-15 00:57:30 EDT
From: Way Zim
Posted on: America Online

 

All I know for my area( Philadelphia/Camden County, NJ) is that WPHL 17 has said they will continue to carry B-5 until the show wraps up or WB cancels it on their own. I don’t know what this means in terms of the musical time slot game being played( It is still scheduled for Saturdays at 4:00PM, excepting sporting events) but at least they are still committed to this excellent SF show.
All I am saying, for those who do not have such supportive stations, is that effective Fan responses must be coordinated with an understanding of business and network mentalities.
Find out who watches the show among your neighbors, friends, co-workers. Send polite concise letters which play up the shows appeal. Everyone can do their part as long as we proceed with confidence. Keep the faith and keep letting people know how you feel about Babylon 5.
South Jersey BAB COM…..Way Zim

Subj: Re: B5 CANCELLED
Date: 96-03-15 05:25:44 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Because, Harokin, this stuff happens *every season* at this time, and after a while, one gets tired of chasing down and denying every rumor that comes along, time after time. I posted a brief note about this in the ask jms category, that should cover it.

jms
Subj: PS to Harokin
Date: 96-03-15 05:26:42 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Don’t take the tone of my prior note as indicating annoyance; it’s just that this happens every year, and it wears thin after a while. It’s not your fault.

jms
Subj: Re: B5 CANCELLED
Date: 96-03-15 13:31:40 EDT
From: PigDog13
Posted on: America Online

I’ll be glad to respond to that. We had a meeting with Warners and PTEN this week about next season. There has been no cancellation. On the contrary. The Media Sales folks are already selling advertising spots for the fourth season. I would also like to know who your source is Vidio.
John Copeland
Producer – Babylon 5

Subj: B5 Cancelled!!!!!
Date: 96-03-15 20:01:33 EDT
From: Poliorcete
Posted on: America Online

I have even more bad news about B5. A very reliable source has revealed the unbeknownst to JMS (but beknownst to me) that B5 has been canceled and sold to UPN for use as a reoccuring alien station that Voyager blows up each month. As part of the agreement JMS has been leased as a pleasure slave to the UPN executives. Bruce Boxleiter’s contract will also be transfered to UPN but the remainder of the B5 cast (due to an unfortunate clause that was accidentally inserted into the agreement) will have to be ground up and sold as dog food. My source is usually quite reliable, and JMS of course has an obvious incentive to deny such an agreement.
I think we all need to send a letter of protest to UPN and Warners!!!!!!

Poliorcetes

Subj: Re:B5 Cancelled!!!!!
Date: 96-03-15 20:51:43 EDT
From: WifeAgain
Posted on: America Online

Don’t quote “very reliable source”. In fact, don’t post anything about B5 being cancelled. If it ever is (which I won’t even begin to believe it will) I’m sure jms or Pigdog will let us know personally.

Subj: Re:B5 Cancelled!!!!!
Date: 96-03-17 15:40:56 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< Don’t quote “very reliable source”. In fact, don’t post anything about B5 being cancelled. If it ever is (which I won’t even begin to believe it will) I’m sure jms or Pigdog will let us know personally. >>

Er, uh. Did you actually READ Poliorcete’s post? This is a fine example of SATIRE! I also find the “Rumors of War” (or at least cancellation) tedious and stupid, and I think Poliorcete’s message says that very nicely, if obliquely.

The one thing we SHOULD do, however, is write our local stations and encourage them to continue the series. You know, like the following:

Dear WKXY,
I really love Babylon 5. I watch it all the time with my family, including two teenage boys, a little girl, and the family dog. We slavishly buy everything advertised during the show, and are now the proud owners of four Infinitys and a lifetime supply of Zima (and we intend to live a LOOONG time). Please continue the show through its fourth and fifth years, and keep advertising American Express and Master Card so we can continue to borrow the credit to pay for all the neat things you advertise.

Yours truly,
<insert real-life name here>
Subj: Write to local station
Date: 96-03-18 11:53:04 EDT
From: I am Bob
Posted on: America Online

Yes do write to your local station, remember that for every letter they receive it boosts ratings.

And….

After sending in only 2 letters I just this morning received a Babylon 5 poster!

If you havent seen it it, features Sheridan pictured standing in front of the c&c window, with all the main character’s faces grouped around him (Londo is great, he realy looks like a disdainful centuri!). And the station fills the upper third. A realy very dramitic poster.

So write to your local station, even just for selfish reasons.

Bob

Subj: SCHEDULING
Date: 96-03-20 21:40:40 EDT
From: BSwayngham
Posted on: America Online

THE BEST PLACE TO FIND B5 IS ON SATELLITE G4 CHANNEL 21 9:00 AM SUNDAYS EST.
B5 IS NO LONGER SHOWING ON ANY STATION IN UPSTATE S.C.

Subj: Check this out!
Date: 96-03-22 22:10:11 EDT
From: RedQueen5
Posted on: America Online

Well, here it is, the results of the VQT Viewer Survey from February 12-25, 1996. I posted the entire list so that there can be no confusion.

Highest Quality Shows Qualitative Rating (1-10)

1. Law & Order …………………………………………………………..8.90
2. ER ………………………………………………………………………8.80
3. Homicide ………………………………………………………………8.80
4. NYPD Blue ……………………………………………………………8.70
5. Party of Five …………………………………………………………..8.50
6. Murder One ……………………………………………………………8.30
7. The X-Files …………………………………………………………….8.30
8. Grace Under Fire …………………………………………………….8.10
9. Frasier ………………………………………………………………….8.00
10. Friends ………………………………………………………………….7.70
11. Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman ……………………………………….7.70
12. Chicago Hope …………………………………………………………7.70
13. Touched by an Angel ………………………………………………..7.70
14. Seinfeld …………………………………………………………………7.60
15. Mad About You ……………………………………………………….7.60
16. Babylon 5 ………………………………………………………………7.60
17. Highlander ……………………………………………………………..7.60
18. Murphy Brown …………………………………………………………7.50
19. Star Trek: Voyager …………………………………………………..7.50
20. Picket Fences …………………………………………………………7.50
21. Nowhere Man ………………………………………………………….7.50
22. New York Undercover ………………………………………………..7.50
23. Strange Luck ………………………………………………………….7.40
24. Cybill ……………………………………………………………………7.30
25. Lois & Clark …………………………………………………………..7.20
26. Star Trek: DS9 ……………………………………………………….7.20
27. The Simpsons ………………………………………………………..7.20
28. Space: Above and Beyond ………………………………………..7.10
29. Due South …………………………………………………………….7.00
30. Roseanne ……………………………………………………………..6.70
31. Dave’s World ………………………………………………………….6.70
32. Home Improvement ………………………………………………….6.70
33. Almost Perfect ……………………………………………………….6.60
34. The Nanny …………………………………………………………….6.50
35. Ellen ……………………………………………………………………6.50

So what do you think, is it worth reposting this in the Star Trek Forum? Just kidding…
I think?!?

Later,
Red

Subj: Re:Check this out!
Date: 96-03-23 12:14:31 EDT
From: RedQueen5
Posted on: America Online

Some of you have emailed me asking what VQT means so I thought I would post the info here for everyone to read. VQT means Viewers for Quality Television. It is a non-profit organization that was founded in 1984 to educate and empower viewers on how to advocate quality on network television.

Definition of a Quality Program:
A quality program enlightens, enriches, challenges, involves and confronts the viewer. It dares to take risks. It is honest and illuminating, appeals to the intellect and touches the emotions. It requires concentration and attention. It provokes thought. Characterization is explored. A quality comedy touches the funnybone and often the heart. It is unique and honest and intelligent.

VQT also works to sponsor quality shows in danger and has had a demonstratable influence on the networks. For more information, contact 73072.1643@compuserve.com, give them your snail mail address and they will send you a brochure. For what its worth, I joined and am very happy (especially since I get to voice my support for B5 in a meaningful way)!

“Viewers for Quality Television is the lobbying force for the viewer who is sick and tired of intelligent, sophisticated shows going off the air because of low ratings.”
Judy Mann, Washington Post
Later,
Red

 

Subj: Re:B5 Cancelled!!!!!
Date: 96-03-23 14:24:11 EDT
From: WifeAgain
Posted on: America Online

No, I didn’t “read” the post, unfortunately. To save time (& money) I log, so I just scan as I’m logging & only caught the part about B5 cancellation & “reliable source”….when I read it later I LOL. It was great! I was just irrated with so many posts about it being cancelled. Sorry. And if I make a similar “goof” in the future, please forgive. I’m only human (I think).

Subj: VQT News
Date: 96-03-25 03:52:47 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

I just heard this over on CIS, and I’m trying to verify it before saying it officially, but it appears that Viewers for Quality Television has taken the next step and actually *endorsed* BABYLON 5, which is a very important thing for us. If correct, this is great news.

jms
Subj: Dont get canceled!!!
Date: 96-03-25 20:52:52 EDT
From: Aithous
Posted on: America Online

I hope B5 doesnt get cancled because there is hardly anyone who I know watchs it. Then I noticed no one was in the B5 chat room. This gives me the impresion that not too many people watch the show via low ratings
Subj: Re:VQT News
Date: 96-03-26 02:14:13 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>I just heard this over on CIS, and I’m trying to verify it before saying it officially, but it appears that Viewers for Quality Television has taken the next step and actually *endorsed* BABYLON 5, which is a very important thing for us. If correct, this is great news.<<

Yeah, Joe –I know how ya heard. <g>
That sure would be a great thing, wouldn’t it? 😉
The show is definitely worthy!

Subj: Re:Dont get canceled!!!
Date: 96-03-26 02:17:08 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>I hope B5 doesnt get cancled because there is hardly anyone who I know watchs it. Then I noticed no one was in the B5 chat room. This gives me the impresion that not too many people watch the show via low ratings<<

Actually overall B5’s ratings are quite respectable, don’t kid yourself. I suspect that at the very least, B5’s ratings would fall aprroximately equivalent to that of The X-Files in my view. And that’s respectable because it shows a solid audience of dedicated viewers.

Subj: Re:VQT News
Date: 96-03-26 09:44:37 EDT
From: Hawk45593
Posted on: America Online

>>I just heard this over on CIS, and I’m trying to verify it before saying it officially, but it appears that Viewers for Quality Television has taken the next step and actually *endorsed* BABYLON 5, which is a very important thing for us. If correct, this is great news.<<

I hate to bring this up, but don’t all shows endorsed by Viewers for Quality Television immediately get cancelled?

Subj: Re:VQT News
Date: 96-03-26 19:22:46 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>I hate to bring this up, but don’t all shows endorsed by Viewers for Quality Television immediately get cancelled?<<

Hawk,
I thought that the description of the VQT Survey was rather clear, nor do I expect to see “Frasier” or “Law and Order” get cancelled any time soon.

Subj: Re:VQT News
Date: 96-03-27 20:54:18 EDT
From: WifeAgain
Posted on: America Online

Does anybody know how you can join VQT?

Subj: Re:VQT News
Date: 96-03-28 00:22:48 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Does anybody know how you can join VQT?<<

RedQueen5 gave that info in the second posting.

Subj: Re:VQT News
Date: 96-03-30 01:07:18 EDT
From: RedQueen5
Posted on: America Online

Well, its in! Just heard from Pigdog that VQT took a full page out in a trade publication listing the endorsed shows and, well, guess what? B5 Made it!

YES!

Red

Subj: Re:Syndicated ratings: 2/11/
Date: 96-03-30 04:24:26 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

Subj: Re:Syndicated ratings: 2/11/
Date: 96-03-04 05:19:23 EST
From: Jms at B5

>There are usually anywhere from 250 to 275 or >more syndicated shows every week; at #43 or 38 >out of that, we’re in the top 15-20%.

>jms
However, it’s well worth noting that how many first run hour long syndicated shows are there?

Also how many of these shows will be picked up for another.
Your answer was in most respects a non-answer…
Try Harder…

 

 

Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
Date: 96-03-30 04:28:43 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

>From: Jms at B5

>I just heard this over on CIS, and I’m trying to verify >it before saying it officially,

Then why even write this post in the first place BEFORE CONFIRMING IT!!!!!!

You could be wrong and you wouldn’t want to sprend misinformation, would you?

]>but it appears that Viewers for Quality Television >has taken the next step and actually *endorsed* >BABYLON 5, which is a very important thing for us. >If correct, this is great news.

>jms
And if your incorrect will you take the time to Post that as well?
Just wondering……

 

Ford A. Thaxton (Fordat@aol.com)

 

 

Subj: Re:Dont get canceled!!!
Date: 96-03-30 04:30:41 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

> Gary7sevn
>Actually overall B5’s ratings are quite >respectable,

According to whom?

> don’t kid yourself. I suspect that at the >
>very least, B5’s ratings would fall aprroximately >equivalent to that of The X-Files in my view. And >that’s respectable because it shows a solid audience >of dedicated viewers.
What do you base your opinion on?

 

Ford A. Thaxton (FordaT@aol.com)

Subj: Re:VQT News
Date: 96-03-30 04:45:54 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Well, its in! Just heard from Pigdog that VQT took a full page out in a trade publication listing the endorsed shows and, well, guess what? B5 Made it!
YES!<<

YES, is Right!

 

Subj: Re:Dont get canceled!!!
Date: 96-03-30 04:49:56 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

FordaT,

>Actually overall B5’s ratings are quite >respectable,

<<According to whom?>>

According to anyone that studies demographics, that’s who.

> don’t kid yourself. I suspect that at the very least, B5’s ratings would fall aprroximately >equivalent to that of The X-Files in my view. And that’s respectable because it shows a solid >audience of dedicated viewers.
<<What do you base your opinion on?>>

Based on the syndicated ratings figures I see and the ratings I see The X-Files falling into where the network ratings are concerned.

 

 

Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
Date: 96-03-30 11:38:36 EDT
From: RedQueen5
Posted on: America Online

FordaT, you wrote about Jms:

<<Then why even write this post in the first place BEFORE CONFIRMING IT!!!!!!
You could be wrong and you wouldn’t want to sprend misinformation, would you?
And if your incorrect will you take the time to Post that as well?

Just wondering……

Ford A. Thaxton (Fordat@aol.com)>>

Ford, I don’t know why your here, but as a fan of the show, I *like* to hear about exciting things that may be coming down the pipe. That’s one of the reasons I got online in the first place.

BTW, I find your attitude to be…..offensive. Will you now post congratulations to Jms and B5 fandom, since the show *is* endorsed by VQT.

Get a life.

Later,
Red

 

 

Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
Date: 96-03-30 11:41:26 EDT
From: RedQueen5
Posted on: America Online

BTW, who is surprised FordaT has no profile.

Makes you kinda wonder.

Later,
Red

Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
Date: 96-03-30 12:44:17 EDT
From: B5 Online
Posted on: America Online

Ford,

This forum is not a place to attack ANYONE, regardless of it being other users, producers – whatever.

You claim that JMS has no life and that is why he is always on the Internet – you seem to have even less of a life, because as JMS enlightens, all you do is carry out a personal vendetta against JMS and the entire Babylon team. All because you didn’t get the rights to Franke’s soundtrack.

Please reread your Terms of Service and the Rules of the Road, harassing ANY member is a violation of TOS, and will not be tolerated in this forum.

-B5 Online

Subj: THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-03-30 15:49:30 EDT
From: Kenpohi5
Posted on: America Online

Well let’s take a look at the broblem of B5’s ratings. First off, Paramound in an effort to protect their Star Trek franchise have done everything they can to try and destroy B5. They’ve done everything from bribing the people at TV guide not to mention B5 in their Sci-Fi special, to demanding affiliates of UPN who air B5 stop showing the show. Where I live, B5 is the lead in for Star Trek Voyager… and B5 takes president here. For our station (KJZZ 14) the ratings for B5 are outstanding… I should also note that there is a 40% drop in viewers during the switch from B5 to Voyager. This means that all those Sci-Fi fans, 40% of them, who just got done watching B5 change the chanel, turn off the TV, and are not staying for Voyager.
KJZZ 14 had done a good job of defending B5, and has presented statistics that, without B5 leading in Voyager, that Voyager loosed and aditional 15% of the Sci-Fi audience. So take the B5 ratings with a grain of salt people, after all Star Trek has done everything in their power to destroy B5, get it cancled, droped from affiliates, and edged out of the American market. But across the sea, B5 is the biggest thing in europ, 3 staions are fighing for the privlage to air B5 in Australia, and come next year when the first 3 seasons of B5 are available on Video and are put inso sindication, we are all going to see a big boom in the B5 market.
TIGRECLAWS@SISNA.COM

Subj: Re:ratings
Date: 96-03-30 15:52:16 EDT
From: Kenpohi5
Posted on: America Online

To RANDALEN:
YOU GET B5 TWICE A WEEK! I hate you! I only get to see in ONCE! DAMN! That tears it, I moving to Tenn!

Subj: Re:Dont get canceled!!!
Date: 96-03-30 17:19:54 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

From: Gary7sevn

FordaT,

>Actually overall B5’s ratings are quite >respectable,

<<According to whom?>>

>According to anyone that studies >demographics, that’s who.

That did not answer my question, what’s your source?

and where do you see this information exactly.

> don’t kid yourself. I suspect that at the very least, B5’s ratings would fall aprroximately >equivalent to that of The X-Files in my view. And that’s respectable because it shows a solid >audience of dedicated viewers.
<<What do you base your opinion on?>>

> Based on the syndicated ratings figures I >see and the ratings I see The X-Files falling into >where the network ratings are concerned.

And exactly where do you see this information? I’d may review it myself?
Is that asking too much?

 

 
Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
Date: 96-03-30 17:23:53 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

>>Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
>Date: 96-03-30 10:41:26 EST
>: RedQueen5

>BTW, who is surprised FordaT has no profile.

>Makes you kinda wonder.

I made me wonder the most, so I checked and you’ll find it right there.

 

 

Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
Date: 96-03-30 19:07:04 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

re: FordaT

>>BTW, I find your attitude to be…..offensive. Will you now post congratulations to Jms and B5 fandom, since the show *is* endorsed by VQT.<<

Forda is obviously a disgruntled Trekker who can’t stand seeing B5’s standing improve. There are all too many people like this online who live to take cheap shots at B5 whenever and wherever they can. The way in which she questioned me about my assessment in the area of ratings made this abundantly clear to me, and I share your distaste, RedQueen, concerning Forda’s ‘tone,’ for lack of a better word. It’s the tone of a jeolous individual out to burst peoples bubble.

Subj: Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-03-30 22:12:35 EDT
From: Im On Set
Posted on: America Online

Amazing… simply amazing.

It’s been three years since the airing of the Babylon 5 pilot, and Ford Thaxton is still slamming the show, questioning JMS at every turn and consistently questioning the veracity of anyone who would defend the show, ratings- or otherwise. I think the word “obsessive-compulsive” would fit here.

My point here is not to harrass Ford Thaxton, but to point out some facts concerning his unrelenting attacks against JMS and Babylon 5, in hopes to finally end this, because it’s getting pretty offensive.

For those of you who haven’t been on AOL as long as I have, you may not realize that when the Babylon 5 pilot aired, Ford slammed it unmercifully (especially the computer-generated special effects) and said it would never be picked up as a series.

It was. The pilot also won an Emmy for Special Effects.

Throughout season one, he slammed the writing/producing/special effects/makeup/you name it of Babylon 5. At the end of the season, he said it would never be renewed for a second year.

It was. It also won an Emmy for Makeup Design.

In season two, he questioned the story behind the departure of Michael O’Hare. Anyone who would *dare* to think that Michael O’Hare was not out-and-out fired was considered to be a brainless “follower” of JMS. He kept waving around a USA Today article which said as much, ignoring the fact that a USA Today article some months later contradicted that original report. Ford continued to slam the show for it’s writing/producing, along with the look of the show, which he considered to be “cheap.” He said it would never be renewed for a third year.

It was. It also received an Emmy nomination for Best Cinematography, a significant accomplishment for a syndicated show.

Babylon 5 is now well into its third season, and lest anyone be ignorant, Babylon 5 is the *only* non-Trek American sci-fi series to *ever* be renewed for a third year. So the ratings may not be as large as Star Trek–a show with a built-in 30 year audience. So what? People ARE watching. Just look at the advertisers on the show–McDonald’s, major auto manufacturers, among others. Some pretty heavy hitters. *They* obviously think that the show is reaching its target demographic, regardless of what Ford Thaxton and other naysayers think.

I work for the most successful TV series in history–Baywatch–and Babylon 5 is taking the same path that we did when we first jumped to syndication. No one thought that a cancelled network show featuring lifeguards would ever capture the worldwide audience that we have, and in our first three years, despite quietly building a loyal audience, the US press paid no attention to us. Then came the Entertainment Weekly cover story trumpeting Baywatch as the “#1 show in the history of the planet.” Since then, the PR machine has gone into overdrive and we’ve never looked back. A day doesn’t go by without some article about Baywatch appearing somewhere. I believe the same will eventually happen with Babylon 5, sometime come the middle of season four. The media tends to be slow in recognizing these things, but when they do, they overcompensate to make up for lost time. Just look at TV Guide and their Star Trek coverage.

JMS and company deserve to be commended, not slammed, for their efforts in bringing a quality science-fiction show to the air, in a syndicated marketplace that is far more hostile than it was when Baywatch first started. Ford’s argument over ratings and what they mean is a red herring. The real issue is that he has a personal vendetta against JMS. Ford has never produced a TV series, has no idea the amount of time, toil, and sweat it takes to produce a TV series on a limited budget, and if he really thinks that Babylon 5 stinks so bad, maybe Ford should produce a sci-fi series of his own. You know… put up or shut up?

So, JMS… when you guys have your 100th episode party, make it a doozy. We did. :)

Subj: B5 in Houston
Date: 96-03-30 23:59:56 EDT
From: CyberJake1
Posted on: America Online

hey, anyone out there know when B5 is on in Houston TX? I know it’s on 20-vision or whatever it’s called (UPN 20), but what time? They have all these new shows and they kick b5 off of it’s regular wed. time slot when a new show comes out! Please email me

Subj: Re:Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-03-31 05:49:00 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

rom: Im On Set

Amazing… simply amazing.
>For those of you who haven’t been on AOL as long as >I have, you may not realize that when the Babylon 5 >pilot aired, Ford slammed it unmercifully >(especially the computer-generated special effects) >and said it would never be picked up as a series.

To the best of recollection I don’t recall commenting about B5 Visual Effects, considering the money they have to work with and the limited time I’d say overall they pretty good. Now if you produce a posting that will refresh my memory I’d appreciate it.

 

>Throughout season one, he slammed the >writing/producing/special effects/makeup/you >name it of Babylon 5. At the end of the season, he >said it would never be renewed for a second year.

I only came on the net in Late May l994. Now if you can produce a posting of mine that has me making that statement please do so.

>It was. It also won an Emmy for Makeup Design.

>In season two, he questioned the story behind the >departure of Michael O’Hare. Anyone who would >*dare* to think that Michael O’Hare was not >out-and-out fired was considered to be a brainless >”follower” of JMS. He kept waving around a USA >Today article which said as much, ignoring the fact >that a USA Today article some months later contradicted that original report.

You failed to meniton that I even took the time to call USA TODAY and speak directly with the writer who stood by his story.

Now would you be so kind as to give me a date of this later story and I’ll be very kind and go out and look it up and confirm your statement.

 

To be cont….

Subj: Re:Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-03-31 05:57:50 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

>Ford continued to slam the show for it’s >writing/producing, along with the look of the show, >which he considered to be “cheap.” He said it would >never be renewed for a third year.

Those were more or less my comments, however can you produce a posting from that says it wouldn’t be renewed for a third year?

>It was. It also received an Emmy nomination for >Best Cinematography, a significant accomplishment >for a syndicated show.

>Babylon 5 is now well into its third season, and lest >anyone be ignorant, Babylon 5 is the *only* >non-Trek American sci-fi series to *ever* be >renewed for a third year.

Your are incorrect:

(1.) “Lost In Space” (Three seasons)
(2.) “Vovage to the Bottom of the Sea” (four seasons)
(3.) “SeaQuest” (Three seasons)
(4.) “The X-Files” (Four seasons and going strong)

All lf the above shows are considered SF programs, like it or not.

>So the ratings may not be as large as Star Trek–a >show with a built-in 30 year audience. So what? >People ARE watching. Just look at the advertisers >on the show–McDonald’s, major auto >manufacturers, among others. Some pretty heavy >hitters. *They* obviously think that the show is >reaching its target demographic, regardless of what >Ford Thaxton and other naysayers think.

>I work for the most successful TV series in >history–Baywatch
>>–and Babylon 5 is taking the same path that we did when we first jumped to syndication. No one >thought that a cancelled network show featuring >>lifeguards would ever capture the worldwide >audience that we have, and in our first three years, >despite quietly building a loyal audience, the US >press paid no attention to us. Then came the >>Entertainment Weekly cover story trumpeting >Baywatch as the “#1 show in the history of the >>planet.” Since then, the PR machine has gone into overdrive and we’ve never looked back. A day doesn’t >go by without some article about Baywatch >appearing somewhere.

Just rememeber you have better SPX.
Example: Pamla Anderson (Or whatever her name is now)

:-)

 
Ford A. Thaxton (FordaT@aol.com)
Subj: Re:Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-03-31 10:03:17 EDT
From: Fan of B5
Posted on: America Online

Ok folks, this is getting really annoying. Ford is just on a personal vendetta. It happened before and the best solution was just to ignore him. After a while, he will get bored with posting with no one responding. If you see his name at the top of the message, just breeze right on by it. This forum is for the SUPPORT of B5. If that is not what you are here for, you shouldn’t be here. And Ford, don’t even try to wave that “you are a mindless follower who can’t think for himself” tag around and stick it on me. I could really care less what you think.

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 96-03-31 17:36:46 EDT
From: HAPPY BEAU
Posted on: America Online

I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING SHOW ORDER IT’S UNDER SHIPS SINCE I’M NEW AT THIS I JUST SENT IT THERE. PLEASE READ

Subj: Mindless folower
Date: 96-03-31 18:13:18 EDT
From: I am Bob
Posted on: America Online

I confess I am a mindless folower of JMS. I love B5, I love trek. But B5 is everything trek never lived up too. Thankyou JMS!

So do tell, whats wrong with being a mindless folower?

Bob

Please (JMS) don’t walk off any cliffs as a mindless folower it would ruin my day :)

Subj: Re:B5 Cancelled UPDATE
Date: 96-03-31 18:17:21 EDT
From: Vidio
Posted on: America Online

I was the one who started this whole flap and let me first say that I certainly did not do it to knock the show. I feel it is one of the finest shows on TV. It is certainly one of the best sci-fi shows ever produced, including the Trek shows. I posted it becasue I was alarmed at news I got regarding the shows time slot next searson. A very good friend of mine who I do not want to get in trouble is in a senior management position at my local station. I often talk to him about the excellence of B5 and I asked him what time slot they were going to give to B5 next season. He told me that the station was not keeping any time open because they were told by WB not expect another season. Hence my alarm. Now this person was obviously in error and I have heard from numerous people to that affect. Nevertheless, at the very least, local stations may be getting wrong information from WB or whoever. I am continuing to call my local station in support of the show and to talk privately with my friends who are in management positions to pursuade them of the value of the show.

Vidio

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-01 00:27:36 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

I don’t come by for a couple of weeks, and look what happens! I wasn’t gonna post until I came across Kenpohi5’s message, which I found incredibly intriguing:

>>Well let’s take a look at the broblem of B5’s ratings. First off, Paramound in an effort to protect their Star Trek franchise have done everything they can to try and destroy B5. They’ve done everything from bribing the people at TV guide not to mention B5 in their Sci-Fi special, <<
Really? Wow! Can you or anyone else provide some evidence that this actually took place? Names, dates, what was said and how much was involved? And what was done to correct this crime (bribing is a crime, after all)? Has anyone been charged or arrested? If so, who?

>>to demanding affiliates of UPN who air B5 stop showing the show.<<
Again, really fascinating! Just how did the guys at the big P make this demand? Does anyone have a copy of the letter or the fax or whatever? And how many UPN stations stopped carrying B5 as a result? Where I live near Washington, DC, the UPN station has carried B5 since its inception (when UPN wasn’t even in existence yet). Should I call someone there and ask why they didn’t do as Paramount asked and what kind of penalties they’ve received from the big P since?

>>So take the B5 ratings with a grain of salt people,<<
Where are these salt people from? Are they aliens or–OHHHHHHHHHH, I see. You meant “Take the ratings with a grain of salt, people.” Never mind.

Anyway, I’d really like to see some proof that folks from Paramount did these things so we can turn it over to the proper authorities and set this stuff straight! As any fan of Trek can tell you, no one is more critical of the big P than we are, so I look forward to seeing this in black and white!

Randy

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-01 01:04:57 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

<<>>Well let’s take a look at the broblem of B5’s ratings. First off, Paramound in an effort to protect their Star Trek franchise have done everything they can to try and destroy B5. They’ve done everything from bribing the people at TV guide not to mention B5 in their Sci-Fi special, <<
Really? Wow! Can you or anyone else provide some evidence that this actually took place? Names, dates, what was said and how much was involved? And what was done to correct this crime (bribing is a crime, after all)? Has anyone been charged or arrested? If so, who?>>

Of course not. Why? Because it’s not illegal. As I understand it, Paramount put pressure on TV Guide not to give B5 any press. Paramount has a lot of pull with TV Guide because of the massive amount of ad space they buy (for the various Trek shows as well as all the other shows Paramount produces). This isn’t bribery, it’s free enterprise. In this case Paramount is a constomer of TV Guide. And a customer has the right to stop purchasing from a supplier for any reason they wish. It could be over the company’s environmental record, how they treat their employees, or even because they feel the company is giving good press to a competitor. There’s nothing illegal with any of this.

Oh, and I don’t *know* any of this first hand either. It’s just what I’ve been hearing both here on AOL, and on the net. It could be false, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were true.

<<>>to demanding affiliates of UPN who air B5 stop showing the show.<<
Again, really fascinating! Just how did the guys at the big P make this demand? Does anyone have a copy of the letter or the fax or whatever? And how many UPN stations stopped carrying B5 as a result? Where I live near Washington, DC, the UPN station has carried B5 since its inception (when UPN wasn’t even in existence yet). Should I call someone there and ask why they didn’t do as Paramount asked and what kind of penalties they’ve received from the big P since?>>

This I’ve read here, the internet, and I also read a blurb concerning it in a newspaper or magazine somewhere as well. Sorry, but I can’t remember now exactly where. This was back when Paramount was first forming UPN and Voyager was going to be it’s flagship show. Someone at Paramount notified the new UPN affiliates that they would have to drop B5 if they were showing it. If they didn’t, they would be barred from showing Voyager. I guess this caused a big stink and Paramount backpeddled from this position very quickly. This was still before the first season ever got under way.

I don’t know if this would be legal or not, if Paramount decided to stick to the threat. But they backed off so nothing ever came of it. Still, from what I hear (and this is just unconfirmed rumors) Paramount has made it clear that they would like the UPN stations to drop B5.

Dave

Subj: Re:Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-04-01 01:27:40 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

From: Fan of B5

<<Ok folks, this is getting really annoying. Ford is just on a personal vendetta.>>

I’m on a search for the truth and wish to share my opinions. that’s all. You are of course free to disregard them.

 

<< It happened before and the best solution was just to ignore him. After a while, he will get bored with posting with no one responding. If you see his name at the top of the message, just breeze right on by it. This forum is for the SUPPORT of B5. If that is not what you are here for, you shouldn’t be here.>>

You are incorrect, this forum is for the DISCUSSION of the tv program known as BABYLON 5.

DISCUSSION includes a number of points of views, including critcial opinions and pointed questions.
>>And Ford, don’t even try to wave that “you are a mindless follower who can’t think for himself” tag around and stick it on me. I could really care less what you think. >>

That a very polite way of putting it.

:-)

 
Ford A. Thaxton (FordaT@aol.com)

 

Subj: Re:Mindless folower
Date: 96-04-01 01:31:04 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

<<>>I confess I am a mindless folower of JMS. I love B5, I love trek. But B5 is everything trek never lived up too. Thankyou JMS!

<<So do tell, whats wrong with being a mindless folower?>>

Well let’s use a very extreme example,

If your are indeed a “Mindless Follower” and the person you follow asks you to Kill somone,steal,etc..
I’d assume you think that would be bad?
>Bob

Please (JMS) don’t walk off any cliffs as a mindless folower it would ruin my day :)>>

I’m fairly certain he won’t.

 

Ford A. Thaxton (Fordat@aol.com)

Subj: Re:Mindless folower
Date: 96-04-01 01:37:28 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>I confess I am a mindless folower of JMS. I love B5, I love trek. But B5 is everything trek never lived up too. Thankyou JMS!<<

ROFL!!!! I absolutely Agree 100%!!!!!!
“Damn it, Jim –it needs more soul! I’m a Doctor not a Foundationist!”

Subj: Re:B5 Cancelled UPDATE
Date: 96-04-01 01:38:05 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

<<A very good friend of mine who I do not want to get in trouble is in a senior management position at my local station. I often talk to him about the excellence of B5 and I asked him what time slot they were going to give to B5 next season. He told me that the station was not keeping any time open because they were told by WB not expect another season. Hence my alarm. Now this person was obviously in error and I have heard from numerous people to that affect. Nevertheless, at the very least, local stations may be getting wrong information from WB or whoever. I am continuing to call my local station in support of the show and to talk privately with my friends who are in management positions to pursuade them of the value of the show.>>

Are you now saying that WARNER BROS and PTEN are telling the stations that B5 may not be back for another season, and they must be wrong because people on the the net say they’re wrong?

May I suggest you go back to your friend and ask him to see if there is anything in writing from WARNER BROS with any sort of comment one way or the other It would go along way to clear up this matter.
Ford A. Thaxton (FordaT@aol.com)

 

 

 

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-01 01:46:37 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>As I understand it, Paramount put pressure on TV Guide not to give B5 any press. Paramount has a lot of pull with TV Guide because of the massive amount of ad space they buy (for the various Trek shows as well as all the other shows Paramount produces). This isn’t bribery, it’s free enterprise. In this case Paramount is a constomer of TV Guide. And a customer has the right to stop purchasing from a supplier for any reason they wish. It could be over the company’s environmental record, how they treat their employees, or even because they feel the company is giving good press to a competitor. There’s nothing illegal with any of this.<<

I have no problem seeing this as being reality whatsoever, and I base that on the many stories that have circulated over the past three years about the obvious campaign Paramount has been on to *DESTROY* Babylon 5! I’m a TOS Trekker going way back to when I was a kid, and I find this to be down right disgraceful and absolutely reprehensible! Their sleazy tactics by spreading smear are well known throughout the various Hollywood political circles, so this is of no great surprise to me.
BTW, isn’t it interesting that that as soon as Majel Barrett Roddenberry agrees to doing a guest stint on B5 we suddenly no longer really see her in Trek anymore. I’ve even watched a few eps of DS9 and Voyager in which she wasn’t even the person doing the voice of the computer. Hmmm, interesting wouldn’t ya say? Gee, we’d have to really be brain surgeons to figure out why that is.

>>I don’t know if this would be legal or not, if Paramount decided to stick to the threat. But they backed off so nothing ever came of it. Still, from what I hear (and this is just unconfirmed rumors) Paramount has made it clear that they would like the UPN stations to drop B5.<<

Againg, no surprise really. As I said, we know which way the wind is blowing.

 

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-01 01:55:30 EDT
From: FordaT
Posted on: America Online

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-01 00:04:57 EST
From: DaveShufon

<<>>Well let’s take a look at the broblem of B5’s ratings. First off, Paramound in an effort to protect their Star Trek franchise have done everything they can to try and destroy B5. They’ve done everything from bribing the people at TV guide not to mention B5 in their Sci-Fi special, <<

::Really? Wow! Can you or anyone else provide some evidence that this actually took place? Names, dates, what was said and how much was involved? And what was done to correct this crime (bribing is a crime, after all)? Has anyone been charged or arrested? If so, who?::

>>Of course not. Why? Because it’s not illegal. As I understand it, Paramount put pressure on TV Guide not to give B5 any press. Paramount has a lot of pull with TV Guide because of the massive amount of ad space they buy (for the various Trek shows as well as all the other shows Paramount produces). This isn’t bribery, it’s free enterprise. In this case Paramount is a constomer of TV Guide. And a customer has the right to stop purchasing from a supplier for any reason they wish. It could be over the company’s environmental record, how they treat their employees, or even because they feel the company is giving good press to a competitor. There’s nothing illegal with any of this.>>

<<Oh, and I don’t *know* any of this first hand either. It’s just what I’ve been hearing both here on AOL, and on the net. It could be false, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were true.>>

Then why post this in the first place if can’t confirm it?

 

Ford A. Thaxton (FordaT@aol.com)

Subj: Re:Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-04-01 19:12:12 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Thanks for the support, and the kind words. (As a matter of fact, wasn’t your 100th episode party just down the hall from our christmas party?) I appreciate you stepping in like this.

jms
Subj: Re:Party
Date: 96-04-02 00:26:32 EDT
From: Im On Set
Posted on: America Online

JMS–
No, actually that was *our* Christmas party. How funny. Our 100th episode party was actually held the summer of 94 at the Ritz-Carlton, highlighted by an “apology” from Jay Leno on behalf of NBC for cancelling the show. Hysterical.

Subj: Re:B5 is best!!
Date: 96-04-02 07:59:52 EDT
From: MKing32716
Posted on: America Online

I agree wholeheartedly. I, too, am a huge ST fan. I can tell you where I was when the very first network episode aired. It has been a very important part of my life…entertainment-wise. I have attended conventions, collected books, figures, coins, etc. That having been said: B5 is the best SF to air on TV. I think that this show is the next generation (sorry) of history-making television. The first year, I wouldn’t have given the series a snowball’s chance…although I did give it a try. Once the second season started, however…the sh** really hit the fan! Bruce B. has always been a favorite of my family and his presence and the coming of the Shadows really attracted me. I now keep telling all my friends and family members my opinion regarding the status of this show and encourage all to support this excellent example of what SF could be. Live long and prosper!

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-03 13:47:38 EDT
From: CBergen253
Posted on: America Online

Notice Fordat is willing to believe the worst of JMS and WB when it comes to babylon 5 and goes so far as to question JMS honesty on certain subject like the departure of Michael O Hare and ratings. Yet when it comes to whether or not Paramount tried to get Babylon 5 off the air then its oh no how could you make such an allegation where is your proof etc… Just noticed this bias in our crusader for truth here. Still waiting for the proof on your allegations Ford by the way. Not that you have any.

Subj: B 5 Canceled in Madison WI
Date: 96-04-03 16:22:32 EDT
From: RBWEAGLE
Posted on: America Online

Attention Babylon 5 fans Fox 47 in talking about canceling B 5 if ratings do not improve during May sweeps month.

If you love babylon 5 please call or write to Fox 47 in Madison WI. and let them know that you what B 5 to continue to be broadcast in the madison area.

Write them at :
Fox 47
7847 Big Sky Dr.
Madison WI 53714

or call at 1-608-833-0047

Thank you for your help in keeping this program on the air in madison WI.

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-03 20:25:08 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

CBergen253,

I think you summed things up quite nicely.
And you’re right –the bias on the part of the person in question is so thick you can cut it with a knife. But don’t get so bent out of shape. I think everyone here(with the possible exception of Mr. Randy) can see right through him and his ‘agenda’.

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-03 20:57:25 EDT
From: B5 Online
Posted on: America Online

Can we please refrain from bashing any members, regardless of their actions. Let’s get past this, please.

-B5 Online

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-04 02:08:38 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Can we please refrain from bashing any members, regardless of their actions. Let’s get past this, please.<<

Actually I think that once things become clear it’s not so much about bashing as it is about calling a Spade a Spade. After all, if the same person feels the need to continually drop by with the incessant attempt to impugne the character of people who work on this show, then their agenda is clear. Once that’s clear people who occasionally frequent this Section should not have to constantly see the same crap spread all over the feild all of the time. That’s not about dialogue, it’s about selfish contempt on the part of people engaging in such antics.

 

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLE
Date: 96-04-04 22:54:21 EDT
From: SMcshane
Posted on: America Online

I don’t understand this “either/or” thing about B5 and ST. Is there a rule somewhere that a person is only allowed to be a fan of one or the other? I love all of the various forms of ST and am also a huge B5 fan.!! So there – I hope those flashing lights I see out my window aren’t the sci-fi police coming to get me.

Subj: Re:JMS
Date: 96-04-04 23:40:08 EDT
From: MJMack
Posted on: America Online

Dear JMS:
I have just spent the last half hour reading these messages (AOL will be thrilled) and I can’t get over what a powerful show you have created to move all of these people to discuss so passionately it’s right to exist. Whether they be negative or positive, I hope you consider these comments to be the sincerest form of flattery. The fact that you even take the time to respond is amazing, I only hope you don’t take the criticism too much to heart.
You have a great show, I am riveted. Keep up the good work! -mjmack
Subj: Hitting the stride
Date: 96-04-05 03:11:23 EDT
From: CAL MIS
Posted on: America Online

I’m a long time Science fiction fan. I love STNG/Voyger/ST (the original)/DS9/Star Wars and so on. B5 was somthing that was just kind of getting established in my view until they added Bruce and hired new writers (I guess cause the story line is way cool now) I’m really jazzed about where things are going with B5. For the first time I set the VCR to be sure that I don’t miss a show.
I hope the ratings go throught the roof! There is enough fans out here for all of the shows. They each have the’re own flavor and characters that make them special.

Keep up the good work Bruce! You’re really bringing the excitement of a Captian Kirk to the format/storyline of B5.

Subj: Re:Hitting the stride
Date: 96-04-05 20:43:45 EDT
From: Lala412
Posted on: America Online

I adore Capt. Kirk, but Sheridan is even MORE fantastic! Of course, I’ve always adored Bruce B.

Subj: B5’s Depth of Character
Date: 96-04-05 23:20:09 EDT
From: Ivonnava
Posted on: America Online

JMS,
Of course the special effects knock you off your toes, but, JMS, the glimpses inside the souls of your main characters is what keeps me watching- “My shoes are too tight and I’ve forgotten how to dance. . .,” “When you’ve stumbled for so long you begin to look at your feet. . . it’s time to bring our eyes up to the horizon. . .” (paraphrasing) And facial expressions alone have made some shows profoundly interesting, ie. Londo watching the destruction of the Narn homeworld.
Thank you, JMS, for making a show where the characters are as complex and moving as the plot and effects- superbly written.
Ivonnova

Subj: Re:B5’s Depth of Character
Date: 96-04-06 01:09:22 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>And facial expressions alone have made some shows profoundly interesting, ie. Londo watching the destruction of the Narn homeworld.<<

Yep, I too was taken by that scene. The look in Londo’s eyes, his knowing that he had brought about all of this death and destruction –that instance was the only place where they really let you see and know that Londo knew he had acted wrongly.

Subj: Remind your local stations
Date: 96-04-06 12:30:12 EDT
From: Tami4kids
Posted on: America Online

Remind your local stations that the networks are all kicking themselves for ending the orginial
Star Trek series, because of low ratings. Look how much advertising and the number of fans if
Star Trek had been allowed to “grow and Prosper” into all she has become if the network had
left her alone and let her continue.

May B5 be as big and long term success!
JMHO
Tami

Subj: Re:b5 needs helpRe:B5 is bes
Date: 96-04-06 17:28:10 EDT
From: Scary Fish
Posted on: America Online

Hi folks.
I was just wondering how well Babylon 5 is doing in the ratings or whatever you want to call it. I have really gotten hooked on this show this past season and I am telling a lot of people about it. But I’ve never heard or read anything about the strength of the show as far as its viewers (or critics- barf!) are concerned. I would really be broken hearted to find out that it doesn’t have muscle to continue on for more seasons. Can you fill me in on any news?

In response to ESBEGATOR, i disagree with the fact that people watch the show for the effects. I started watching the show when it first aired, and though the effects are terrific, i stopped watching it for quite awhile because I thought the story was dull. It did not keep my interest. Now, the effects are quite fantastic to watch now that there is some depth in the stories. You can watch a comet in sky and say “Oh wow that is so cool” but that same comet will hold your attention much longer when you find out why it’s there, how it got there and possibly get you to find out more about it. All the elements must work for a show like B5 because it is very complex now that there is real depth to it. I now support it very much.

Whew. Anyway, that’s my opinion….

Thanks
Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 96-04-06 20:46:49 EDT
From: MoeBearH
Posted on: America Online

The show has improved so much since Sheridan’s arrival. Our local station keeps changing the time on Saturday. This program is so good nowe it should be prime time. I am also a fan of X-files, but B5 is far superior!

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 96-04-06 21:38:36 EDT
From: Scary Fish
Posted on: America Online

I too am an X-Filer. It is hard for me to compare XF with B5…but if you can…go for it. The bottom line is we support stories that are different and realistic in their possibilities.
Wow! That seems pretty heavy. I better stop drinking so much coffee…

Subj: Re:Hitting the stride
Date: 96-04-07 06:30:31 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

“…until they added Bruce and hired new writers (I guess cause the story line is way cool now)”

The story line has always been the storyline, and no new writers were hired. I have always been here.

jms
Subj: Re:Hitting the stride
Date: 96-04-07 12:58:01 EDT
From: YaxPac
Posted on: America Online

Jms,

<<The story line has always been the storyline, and no new writers were hired. I have always been here.

jms>>

You’re a Vorlon! I knew it, I *knew* it!

Evan

Subj: Just the facts
Date: 96-04-08 02:44:17 EDT
From: Dragicus
Posted on: America Online

ho hum. What bs and pettyness. Does anybody here actually -know- the ratings of B5? Or should I just call my local station and get the info?
Subj: Re:AcDec
Date: 96-04-08 19:39:27 EDT
From: DocForce
Posted on: America Online

AcDec’s comments smack of Star Trek mania. I love Star Trek, too, but loving a show or a creation doesn’t preclude you from noting its faults. Sure, ST:TNG and DS9 deal with serious subjects, but most of the time, everything is given pat endings and played too safe and PC. I agree with Alanl95975: the numerous Star Trek shows (with, again, the general exclusion of Star Trek: Voyager, which frankly has been pretty disappointing) are good, often great, television. But they’re by no means as good as they could be. There’s no real story arc (which is the chief reason B5 is so addicting) in the Trek universe, at least not one that the producers will commit to. They keep citing budget restrictions, which is unlikely, as B5 proves on less than half of DS9’s budget.
Anyhow, I don’t think JMS intended his comments as a slam against Trek, but against the “lowest common denominator” television which dominates the airwaves. And he’s quite right.

DocForce

Subj: Re:b5 needs helpRe:B5 is bes
Date: 96-04-08 19:52:09 EDT
From: DocForce
Posted on: America Online

Witness B5’s first season. Excellent effects, but pretty weak in character development, dialogue, and compelling drama. Top-notch effects alone do not make great SF (Anyone see “Stargate”?) From season 2 on, jms and company have wedded amazing effects, space battles, etc. with terrific stories and increasingly intriguing characters. What any good tv show comes down to is good writing. As mentioned by others, Dr. Who, Blake’s 7, and the original Star Trek are notorious for cheesy F/X. But all three boasted much excellent writing, inventive ideas and great characters.This is why most of us, at any rate, tune in every week to the best SF show around — B5!
DocForce

Subj: Re:Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-04-08 21:22:23 EDT
From: DocForce
Posted on: America Online

Some comments regarding Ford M.Thaxton’s (who, for those who are curious, runs a radio show entitled “Soundtrack Cinema” on Classic KING-FM in Seattle, WA, and does a good job, despite his mulish anti-B5 rants and the overall negative attitude he has exhibited in his postings here):

1) “SeaQuest:DSV” (or 2032, or however you want to refer to that dreck), was cancelled midway through its 3rd season
2) “The X-Files” is only in its 3rd season, not 4th, but is indeed going strong.
3) He is correct about the ridiculous “Lost in Space” and the slightly less silly “Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.”

All of which is just more nitpicking. My real message is this: Get a life, Ford. If you’re a true SF fan (which you seem to be, judging from how often you dedicate your hour on “Soundtrack Cinema” to SF film and tv soundtracks), you should be happy that any program which tackles a SF premise in an intelligent way (i.e., not just another faux neo-noir “Bladerunner” knockoff like TekWar or TimeTrax) is succeeding at all in an medium which is most conducive to carbon-copy sitcoms and talk shows.

Thanks to all the positive messages from people like WayZim, RedQueen, ReddGator and others whose names I can’t recall. And thanks most of all to jms and J. Copeland for taking the time from their very busy schedules to respond. I recently read a report somewhere that mentioned jms no longer responds to some websites because of all the tiresome bashing and infighting that goes on. I hope that this was a rumor, at least regarding this site, as I find his and Mr. Copeland’s comments interesting and illuminating and would hate to have them depart just when I’m signing on for the first time!
DocForce

Subj: Praise to B5 Production Team
Date: 96-04-08 21:23:46 EDT
From: Kissyfur3
Posted on: America Online

All I have to say is if you keep dishing it out like “Severed Dreams”, you
will have your 5-year project completed. Great job, B5.
Kissy =)

Subj: Re:THE RATEING PROBLEM
Date: 96-04-08 21:30:54 EDT
From: DocForce
Posted on: America Online

Randy makes a good point. Of course Paramount isn’t on a campaign to malign B5. Why bother? Being a media behemoth, they obviously do have some pull with TV Guide and others that probably work to B5’s disadvantage coverage-wise. But the scales will (hopefully) even out a bit as word-of-mouth continues to build regarding this show.
DocForce

Subj: Re:DocForce Messages
Date: 96-04-08 21:39:58 EDT
From: DocForce
Posted on: America Online

Since I have been browsing this site for the first time, I’ve repsonded to several comments, some dating several months back. I apologize for the “scattershot” feeling these various reponses might convey.
Thanks for your patience.
DocForce

Subj: Re:Previous Comments:Ford
Date: 96-04-08 21:43:22 EDT
From: DocForce
Posted on: America Online

It seems jms is still responding online. Thank you jms!
Subj: B5 cancelled? I hope its not
Date: 96-04-09 16:01:18 EDT
From: MAllegr594
Posted on: America Online

I sent email on aol to WETM18 which is the address for my local B5 affiliate. They said that starting next fall they will stop airing B5 because the show is no longer in production! Is this true? If not please send them email saying its not! I WANT MY B5!!! :)
Subj: Boston Area Fans…
Date: 96-04-09 22:12:55 EDT
From: MacArlene
Posted on: America Online

As you might already know, WSBK TV38 has shown very little interest in keeping B5 on the air. Even though the series itself is in no danger of being cancelled, TV38 has commented that it might drop B5.

There are a few mailing lists which have been debating this matter for some time. I am currently organizing a letter/advertising campaign. If you would like more information, or wish to particiapte in such a campaign, please e-mail me at MacArlene@aol.com

Thanks!!
Michelle

Subj: Northwest Ark.
Date: 96-04-10 14:26:16 EDT
From: JWood83907
Posted on: America Online

I am from the middle of nowhere. B5 is alive and well here.. We have to put up with weird commercials and odd hours. My friends and I love the show..hopelessly addicted.. Don’t mind staying up unitil 2:00 am to watch..worth the feelings of exhaustion the next day..
Please please please do not cancel..
Will the series be available on tape soon? When B5 first came on, it moved all over the place and I missed quite a bit of the first and second seasons..

Subj: Re:b5 in indy
Date: 96-04-10 17:00:06 EDT
From: ECHO LIMA
Posted on: America Online

on a slightly better note: wndy 23 (marion/indianapolis independent) has moved b5 out of a death slot at 11 p.m. sunday to 10:30 p.m. saturday. reason: steadily improving ratings!

Subj: Re:b5 in indy
Date: 96-04-10 18:32:48 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

<<<on a slightly better note: wndy 23 (marion/indianapolis independent) has moved b5 out of a death slot at 11 p.m. sunday to 10:30 p.m. saturday. reason: steadily improving ratings!>>>

Personally I would look upon that as a sneaky, sleazy move by the station in order to detract from the shows improving ratings. There are a lot more people at home on a Sunday night looking to watch a television show of some sort at 11:00 than there are at 10:30 pm on a Saturday night. The station may have certain ties to Paramount despite the fact that they’re listed as an “independant” station.

Subj: Re:B5 cancelled? I hope its no
Date: 96-04-10 20:32:45 EDT
From: Vidio
Posted on: America Online

MAllegr594 writes:
<<I sent email on aol to WETM18 which is the address for my local B5 affiliate. They said that starting next fall they will stop airing B5 because the show is no longer in production! Is this true? If not please send them email saying its not! I WANT MY B5!!! :)>>

This is the same line I’m getting from higher ups in the Philadelphia market but the show’s producers deny it is cancelled.

Vidio

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings
Date: 96-04-10 20:38:49 EDT
From: Merrr71703
Posted on: America Online

I live in the New York area and boy am I the lucky one. B5 comes on twice a week here.

1. Saturday at 2:00 p.m.
2. Sunday at 8:00 p.m.

With the baseball season beginning, UPN bumps B5 out, but then it turns around and puts it on in the middle of the week (e.g. Wednesday at 9:00pm). New Yorkers, keep your eyes on the TV Guide! New York loves B5!!!!!

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 96-04-10 21:41:37 EDT
From: FTWDET
Posted on: America Online

B5 has the best graphics on TV. the aliens are real 3D people. WHY WOULD THEY TAKE B5 OFF THE AIR?

Subj: Re:B5 Ratings
Date: 96-04-11 01:26:07 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

<<<With the baseball season beginning, UPN bumps B5 out, but then it turns around and puts it on in the middle of the week (e.g. Wednesday at 9:00pm). New Yorkers, keep your eyes on the TV Guide! New York loves B5!!!!!>>>

Merrr,
I’m a New Yorker and I’m glad that finally B5 is on in a time spot where it will likly be rearely affected by the baseball schedule. Most games over the weekend are either Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening perhaps, and Sunday afternoon –in other words, no Mets to worry about on Sunday ngiht. <g> What could happen is that a game will run over on Sunday afternoon and push the schedule back a bit, but you’ll still get to see B5 at an early part of the evening still. Their former Wednesday and Friday night time spots sucked because they were always affected by games. Now we have a ot left to worry about in that area. :-) I love B5 on Sunday nights at 8:00! I hope things stay exactly the way they are for our schedule here in New York. Please, Let it Be So!

Subj: National and Local Ratings
Date: 96-04-11 16:58:11 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

I have not seen recent national ratings on this board for B5, so would someone please post them. Also, how do the local stations make their decisions about whether to continue or cancel a series? Can we get info on local ratings? Here in the bay area, B5 is shown on Thursdays and Sundays at 10 p.m. From what I hear, it is a popular show.

Again, B5 is far and away the best SF series ever produced for TV, and I have seen them all, since the 1950s.

Subj: Fan of Babylon 5
Date: 96-04-11 21:11:58 EDT
From: AlexD36
Posted on: America Online

I hope Babylon 5 has a long and successful run. But the time slot they but it on here in Port St. Lucie, Fla. (Sunday at 6 PM) is a awful. But I still watch it. I think it is a great Program and I hope it lasts a long Time

Subj: Re:VQT News (Unconfirmed)
Date: 96-04-11 22:44:06 EDT
From: Spoocake
Posted on: America Online

FordaT used to start flamewars on the Net (on RastB5) and now he’s taken his act here…oh boy…

Spoocake

Subj: Re:B5 cancelled? I hope its
Date: 96-04-11 22:53:05 EDT
From: Rushylon 5
Posted on: America Online

Any talk of cancellation is completely premature. A yes or no will not be definitely known until late April or early May at the soonest.

Stations saying otherwise are either trying to cover their hides from us “Lurkers” by cancelling the show on their station and blaming it elsewhere, or you talked to someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about.

Hope this helps.

Rushylon 5

Subj: Re:National and Local Ratings
Date: 96-04-12 10:48:05 EDT
From: Randy Hall
Posted on: America Online

To ReddGator and anyone else who’s interested:

Drop me a line via email and I’ll send you all the information I have regarding recent national ratings.

Randy

Subj: Fan of B5
Date: 96-04-12 17:49:06 EDT
From: J E BOMAN
Posted on: America Online

Love B5, hope it runs for many more seasons. Boston (WSBK shows it on Sunday night at 1030 pm. WICZ out of Binghamton shows it at 7 PM on Saturdays now (just moved to this time slot).
Keep up the good work. A very loyal fan.

Subj: Re:b5 in indy
Date: 96-04-13 00:19:40 EDT
From: ECHO LIMA
Posted on: America Online

its definitely an independent, as in not affiliated w/networks; how connected it is to paramount i will leave that for greater minds to ponder.

however, i still dont think that many people are watching tube at 11 pm on sundays as opposed to saturday. moho

Subj: Re:National and Local Rating
Date: 96-04-13 01:31:31 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

<<<To ReddGator and anyone else who’s interested:
Drop me a line via email and I’ll send you all the information I have regarding recent national ratings.>>>

Does this mean factual information, or propaganda? Sorry if the question insults you, but I do have to wonder considering who the source is, which I think is very pertinent here.

 

Subj: Re:b5 in indy
Date: 96-04-13 01:33:32 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>however, i still dont think that many people are watching tube at 11 pm on sundays as opposed to saturday.<<

Well, this is my New York perception of an audience, and I would have to say that it’s the exact opposite here.

Subj: Re:Babylon 5 Message Center
Date: 96-04-13 01:39:19 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< B5 has the best graphics on TV. the aliens are real 3D people. WHY WOULD THEY TAKE B5 OFF THE AIR? >>

Have you ever heard the phrase, “The good die young”?
I would hate to count the number of favorite, high-quality shows that have been cancelled out from under me.

Don’t let it happen to B5. Write to Warner Bros. and your local station. Today! Now! Get off line and do it! What are you reading the rest of this for? Don’t delay!
Subj: Re:WWOR-TV, UPN 9
Date: 96-04-13 08:23:22 EDT
From: DARRY69
Posted on: America Online

Normaly I watch B5 twice on Saturday with the NY feed. Then with a Phily feed from my cable company. Then once on Sun with the NY rebroadcast. Now with baseball season upon us again and both cities have teams(if you can call them that) B5 will be bounced all over the place again.

Lord I HATE Baseball!!

D. L. Jennings

Subj: Stop Moving Around
Date: 96-04-13 18:02:51 EDT
From: Biigmack
Posted on: America Online

Why are they always moving the show to different times and days? Many of us really like the show and want to keep up. Stop the madness! Is Earth Alliance behind this?

Subj: Re:WWOR-TV, UPN 9
Date: 96-04-13 19:09:45 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Now with baseball season upon us again and both cities have teams(if you can call them that) B5 will be bounced all over the place again.<<

Darry,
We don’t really have to worry about a Mets game preempt here in NY because most Sunday games are played in the afternoon. We have to be more concerned about the possiblity of being preempted by a Billy Graham Crusade.
Ridiculous, ain’t it.

Subj: Re:Stop Moving Around
Date: 96-04-13 19:12:04 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Why are they always moving the show to different times and days? Many of us really like the show and want to keep up. Stop the madness! Is Earth Alliance behind this?<<

I believe that stations which engage in this practice have an ulterior agenda of some kind. They may somehow be tied or affiliated with Paramount, which can gave local stations to screw around with B5’s schedule, or maybe Networks are paying them money under the table or something to ditch the show by whatever means possible.

Subj: Two problems I see
Date: 96-04-14 01:20:02 EDT
From: BrettJor
Posted on: America Online

I think B5 is perhaps the best science fiction that I have ever seen. It has two serious problems however. First, until I stumbled onto it (Saturday night at 12:05 in my area), I didn’t know it was on the air. Why aren’t there any advertisements? No one will watch if there are no ads. I understand that this may be our affiliate station causing this situation, but I have NEVER seen an ad.
Second, the story line is very deep. This is B5’s best feature, but also a problem because new viewers can’t latch onto the story. I don’t know how to fix this one, but something needs to be done.

Subj: Re:Two problems I see
Date: 96-04-14 03:54:54 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

<<Second, the story line is very deep. This is B5’s best feature, but also a problem because new viewers can’t latch onto the story. I don’t know how to fix this one, but something needs to be done.>>

Brett,
If you’re a true fan you’ll keep your eye peeled for whenever it’s set to be shown, and tape it if you can’t watch it if it’s being broadcast at a bad time in your area.

Subj: Re:space battle
Date: 96-04-14 14:57:03 EDT
From: ABullitt
Posted on: America Online

Last weeks show had the best produced for tv space battle I have ever seen !

Subj: WWOR-TV, UPN 9
Date: 96-04-14 16:07:03 EDT
From: FALCONLEIA
Posted on: America Online

Great….just great!! No B5 at all this weekend….how will I survive.

First baseball (yuk!) and now Billy Graham….what’s next!?!?!?

I will go and cry now……

Subj: Re:WWOR-TV, UPN 9
Date: 96-04-14 18:24:40 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

FALCON,

>>Great….just great!! No B5 at all this weekend….how will I survive.
First baseball (yuk!) and now Billy Graham….what’s next!?!?!?
I will go and cry now……<<

I guess you missed the broadcasts for this past weekend because it was shown twice yesterday. First at 2:00 in the afternoon, one of its usual time slots, then at 8:00 pm last night instead of 8:00 tonight. I came close to not knowing about this change of schedule for the week and could easily have missed the show entirely. I would have seen RED had that happened!.

Subj: Re: moving around
Date: 96-04-14 19:19:53 EDT
From: RSmall8888
Posted on: America Online

WDZL 39 (a WB station – Ft Lauderdale) also keeps moving B5 around without warning. First they had it in prime time at 8pm Friday which was great. Then they changed to midnight Sat night. So I taped it. Now this week (is it only for this week?) they changed it to 11pm. I almost missed it but was home that night and saw it. They give no advertising of the changes. Why so strange a time after it was on in prime time? they only show bad movies at 8pm Fri now.

Subj: Re:space battle
Date: 96-04-14 21:04:08 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

>>>> Last weeks show had the best produced for tv space battle I have ever seen ! <<<<

Actually, this was probably the weakest part of SD. Don’t get me wrong. I like space battles. Only, there was too much hardware for the time the episode could devote to the scenes. It was overkill on the visual sensory system, and sometimes hard to follow. I think it would have been better to have a few less scenes and spend more time on the given shots.

While B5 is the best, SA&B probably has produced better space battles. For example, the solo dogfight a couple of months ago between the Colonel and the Alien supership was the best I have ever seen. The fight lasted almost five minutes, and the antics of the spacecraft were superb. B5 could do well to copy some of the methodology. It would not affect the storyline, and would, IMHO, improve what is already should become an award winning series.

ReddGator

Subj: Re: moving around
Date: 96-04-15 00:47:41 EDT
From: LDuarte127
Posted on: America Online

>>From: RSmall8888

WDZL 39 (a WB station – Ft Lauderdale) also keeps moving B5 around without warning. First they had it in prime time at 8pm Friday which was great. Then they changed to midnight Sat night. So I taped it. Now this week (is it only for this week?) they changed it to 11pm. I almost missed it but was home that night and saw it. They give no advertising of the changes.<<

I almost missed it too, guess they forgot to advertise it. The good news is that they have a new Programing director her name is Diana Swords, I spoke to her about a month ago and asked about that dreadful midnight spot and she said she was working on improving it. I figure she did. You should call her too and express your support for the show, i know it helps. Plus, she sent me a poster of the show, pretty cool one too.
LDuarte127

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 96-04-17 02:02:50 EDT
From: SDNewWave
Posted on: America Online

As far as I’m concerned, Babylon 5 is one of the best shows to air on television in a very long time! In fact, it is #1 of only 3 shows that I will NOT miss!! To cancel a show of this caliber and exceptional quality would be a crime against all viewers present and future. The biggest problem for B5’s ratings is the cavelier fasion which many local affiliates treat its’ programming. In my area,(Montgomery, Alabama ) B5 is on WCOV, a FOX network. The station manager seems to feel that B5 is some sort of random slot filler, and seems to think nothing of moving the show to some other unannounced time period, or even pre-empting the show altogether for the most inane trash imaginable! Once they even pre-empted the show for an infomercial!!! Until we can make the TV executives realize just how many of us viewers there are watching, and who really care about Babylon 5, the show will continue to be at the mercy of their short-sighted whims. All I know is; if they take B5 off the air, I will give up on network TV for good.
Subj: Local Station
Date: 96-04-17 10:34:01 EDT
From: CBSCT
Posted on: America Online

I’m from the Hartford Area in Connecticut… I guess I’m one of the lucky ones.. B-5 actually has a fairly regular time slot, and it’s not too bad… 3:00 on saturdays, on our Fox affiliate.. It has been moved and pre-empted from time to time but for the most part it gets shown.. What kills me is all the promo’s for “Hercules” , “Kung-Fu” and “Deep Space 9″… NEVER is there a promo for Babylon 5… No wonder it’s not at the top end of the ratings…

Subj: Re:Local Station
Date: 96-04-17 17:41:55 EDT
From: Wheelpack
Posted on: America Online

CBSCT, you’re right! I’ve never seen anything from my TV station promoting B5. I wish I could find the E-mail address for the station. I would give them a large piece of my mind! If the stations would have E-mail addresses, the wouldn’t be any need of the Neilson system and the advertisers would get a better picture of who is watching what and when. B5 is one of the better Sci-Fi shows on TV hands down! It’s time the stations started learning this.

Subj: Write your local station
Date: 96-04-18 14:26:07 EDT
From: I am Bob
Posted on: America Online

You dont need an email address of your local station to give them a large piece of your mind. Take a piece of paper and write them a polite note saying that you watch B5 and dont like it pre-empted or moved at random.

To find your local station’s address, check local paper’s tv book or phone book.

I write my local station every week!
Bob

 

Subj: Re:Write your local station
Date: 96-04-19 17:25:46 EDT
From: MReilly33
Posted on: America Online

I’ve been very lucky this year, my local TV station not only has B5 on at 8:00 thursday night…But the station’s entire ad campaign is centered around it and it’s other Sci Fi shows. I never would have started watching B5 if my station hadn’t been so devoted to it.

Maybe other stations need to take note, and put it in better time slots.

Subj: Re:Ratings and Red Herrings
Date: 96-04-19 20:24:01 EDT
From: Victoriaaa
Posted on: America Online

Who is Ford Thaxton and why does anyone give a hoot about what he says?

First about JMS not having a life? PLEASE! Maybe I’m naive, but I’ve never been able to write the creator of a show before and get answers – it’s fantastic! I’ve told everyone I know about it and they are as amazed as I am. I feel very lucky and privileged that he takes time out of his life to communicate with his followers.

Second, unless Ford Thaxton is in any way shape or form personally responsible for the longevity of Bab5 on the air, who cares what he thinks. It’s still a free country, he’s allowed to express his opinions, and we are all allowed to think that if he needs to express those opinions here he’s just looking for attention.
Victoria Cresswell

Subj: Guess Bay Area’s Lucky
Date: 96-04-19 20:40:51 EDT
From: Victoriaaa
Posted on: America Online

I guess the bay area’s lucky, we get Bab5 on Thursday nights at 9 p.m. (no contest with Seinfeld once we figured out Bab5 was there AND this goes for the reruns of Bab5 too). We also get Bab5 repeated on Sunday nights at 10! And since October UPN 40 hasn’t been fiddling around with time slot and pre-empts the way it did the first two seasons.

There is hope!

Subj: Ratings Info
Date: 96-04-25 19:36:46 EDT
From: Jms at B5
Posted on: America Online

Since many folks have asked about specific ratings info, I figured I’d get out the ones that just came in and break them down a little. The problem with syndication ratings is that they’re always slow to come in, and have to be kind of interpreted because they get into demographics more on a casual basis.

So…let’s take our episode of B5 from the week of 4/1-4/7. The overall national rating is a 3.2, which puts it at 34 out of all syndicated shows. Initially, that looks only kinda okay until you discover that that week there were 164 syndicated shows on the air, which therefore puts B5 in the top one-fifth of all syndicated shows.

Also, that same week, B5 was the 7th highest rated dramatic series. (We do generally land in the top 10 of dramatic series when we’re showing new episodes. And sometimes even in reruns.) Above us were, in order, Hercules, Xena, Outer Limits, DS9, Baywatch and Land’s End.

We were ahead of such dramatic series as Highlander, Baywatch Nights, Renegade, Tales from the Crypt, Lazarus Man and Kung Fu. (KF ended up as #54 out of 164 overall.)

Among the demograhic group most prized by advertisers, which sets advertising rates, 18-49 years of age, B5 ranks #20 with women in that group, and #7 with men in that group.

Overall…not too dusty.

jms
Subj: B5 vs. Baywatch
Date: 96-04-27 22:22:11 EDT
From: Craig71377
Posted on: America Online

How in the world can show such as Babylon 5, with a great plot, wonderful actors, fantastic special effects come behind in ratings to a show like Baywatch. Baywatch’s only saving grace is the all the girls in skippy bathing suits.

If ever there was proof of a global conspiracy to destory all that is good in America, this is it.

Subj: Re:B5 vs. Baywatch
Date: 96-04-28 00:54:42 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

<<How in the world can show such as Babylon 5, with a great plot, wonderful actors, fantastic special effects come behind in ratings to a show like Baywatch. Baywatch’s only saving grace is the all the girls in skippy bathing suits.>>

I think you just answered your own question there. 😉 People have never gone broke catering to the lowest common denominator. Let’s face it – SEX SELLS.

Subj: Re:B5 Local Ratings
Date: 96-04-28 20:27:11 EDT
From: Qbaum
Posted on: America Online

Our local Virginia station’s time slot for B5 is Saturday at mid-night. I personally have called the station several times and asked them to consider a earlier time. And, according to the people there I am not the only one. There is a large following in our back-water area, and they are very vocal about how they enjoy the multi-layered plots, good dialogue and diverse actors. Keep up the good work and we’ll stay tuned in!

Subj: Really low in Boston
Date: 96-04-28 20:53:27 EDT
From: EPSILON 3

Posted on: America Online

for some reason some of these Boston people can’t tell what good television is. The station that runs it does not even promote the show. We also see is a week after everyone else.

Epsilon 3

Subj: Re:B5 Local Ratings
Date: 96-04-29 01:13:19 EDT
From: DAWNIE52
Posted on: America Online

Please tell me what part of Virginia. We are moving to the Fredericksburg area this summer. I’m not a late night person and staying up to midnight will be difficult

Thanx.

Dawn
Subj: Re:B5 vs. Baywatch
Date: 96-04-29 04:29:16 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>How in the world can show such as Babylon 5, with a great plot, wonderful actors, fantastic special effects come behind in ratings to a show like Baywatch. Baywatch’s only saving grace is the all the girls in skippy bathing suits.<<

Well, I think that sums it up right there. <g> Many would say, “enough said,” since it’s our libido’s are more powerful than the mind. Hey, we’re all just animals underneath it all if the intelligence were taken away from us. We’d be no better or worse than a cat and it’s sexual tendencies.

>>If ever there was proof of a global conspiracy to destory all that is good in America, this is it.<<

Ahhh, a flare for the dramatic! A lot can be said for *passion*. It can drive a man to genius or utter despair. <g> Bet you never expected this to become this intense. :-)

Subj: Re:B5 vs. Baywatch
Date: 96-04-29 22:45:03 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

Mira, and Claudia are sexier. And above all SMARTER.
This from the males at E.A.S.O.S.

Subj: Re:B5 vs. Baywatch
Date: 96-04-30 04:58:32 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>Mira, and Claudia are sexier. And above all SMARTER.<<

Well, I don’t know you they are being compared too, but I will say this: Claudia is pretty darn sexy – especially since she’s lost a few pounds. Her face has become thinner, but not ddrawn by any means. <g>

Subj: Re:B5 vs. Baywatch
Date: 96-04-30 18:25:39 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

We should add Pat to that list or we’ll be having nightmares for all eternity. Pretty is one thing, pretty and brilliant is better-therein lies real beauty.

Subj: Channel 50
Date: 96-04-30 18:27:24 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

We just heard from Channel 50 in Derry, New Hampshire that they will be renewing(a small step-but a happy one). They are very happy with Babylon 5 and would like to hear of any way they could further promote the show.

Subj: Re:Channel 50
Date: 96-05-02 02:16:33 EDT
From: KS Labs
Posted on: America Online

In Seattle, B5 is head to head against Friends on Thursday nights. Does anyone think this is a particularly advantageous time slot?

Subj: Ratings in CT
Date: 96-05-02 10:34:04 EDT
From: CBSCT
Posted on: America Online

Here in Connecticut it’s got a saturday afternoon 3:00 timeslot(and even rerun Friday at 4:00 a.m.) so there isn’t too much competition… We can also watch it on the Boston station Sunday nights at 10:30… I don’t know when it’s broadcast out of New York… I have written my local station, it happens to be a FOX affiliate thanking them for keeping the show on and encouraging them too urge Warner Bros to renew the series.. Out of Boston it’s on a WPN affiliate, not FOX..

Subj: Re:Channel 50
Date: 96-05-03 17:20:19 EDT
From: AshTyr
Posted on: America Online

I just heard back from KTZZ in Seattle that they’ve picked up B5 for another season.
As for “Friends,” have to admit that I never liked it in the first place, and I wonder how many other people drawn to the intelligence and depth of B5 watch “Friends” too?

Subj: Support is the key
Date: 96-05-03 23:26:35 EDT
From: Rushylon 5
Posted on: America Online

JMS has said (correct me if I’m wrong, Great Maker) that WB wants to continue B5, it’s just a matter of getting enough local stations to sign on. I think this situation is unique in TV, where the fans have such a huge chance to help their shows. If NBC isn’t getting any money for a show, with or without high ratings, it will be cancelled. WB wants to continue B5, but we fans are the only ones that can let our *local* stations know we watch and, more importantly, patronize the advitisers that run ads during B5. If you see Burger Bell (made up name, guess from what) running ads during B5 time on your local station, not only write your station, but also Burger Bell. This way the station knows we’re here, which is important, but also lets the advitisers know we’re here. If the station knows, but not the advitisers, we only have half of the equation covered; vice versa as well.

Of course, the decision is going to be made very soon, so it may be too late now, anyway (nothing like a good dose of pessimism, huh?) 😉

Rushylon 5
Subj: A good sign???
Date: 96-05-05 00:59:09 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

For a while now PTEN has held off on scheduling any of the episodes that come after “War Without End”. They were apparently waiting to see if the series was going to be renewed first, to decide whether to just show the remaining five episodes, or to hold some or all of them right before season four. (just like they’ve done with all the season up till now)

Now, I see in the newsletter that they’ve gone and scheduled repeats right up through the end of August. Am I alone in thinking that this is a good sign? I mean, how can they hold off showing these “final five” until right before season four, unless THERE’S GOING TO BE A SEASON FOUR!

I hope I’m not jumping the gun on this, but I’ve never been so happy to see a schedule filled with repeats before.

Dave

Subj: Re:Channel 50
Date: 96-05-05 03:10:28 EDT
From: KS Labs
Posted on: America Online

We too, find that the Friends/B5 juxtaposition was perfect since we had no interest in watching Friends. I just fear that ratings would suffer in that slot.

KTZZ answered our letter of support for B5 very quickly and said they plan to continue carrying B5 as long as it is in production.

Hurrah!

Subj: Re:Channel 50
Date: 96-05-05 04:17:10 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>In Seattle, B5 is head to head against Friends on Thursday nights. Does anyone think this is a particularly advantageous time slot?<<

Well, it’s one of two things: a) confidence on the part of the station doing it, thinking that B5 can stand up in some way against such powerhouses, or b) the station is shafting it and showing they could care less about B5.
You being out there would know better than us anywhere else. 😉

Subj: Richmond VA
Date: 96-05-05 15:41:09 EDT
From: WifeAgain
Posted on: America Online

Richmond VA broadcasts B5 over WAWB, Channel 65, Ashland-Richmond at 8 pm on Friday’s. They have been very supportive in response to the letters I;ve written. Anyone else in our area, keep those cards & Letters coming! B5 Lives!!!

Subj: Need help to keep B5 in Boston
Date: 96-05-05 16:54:22 EDT
From: EPSILON 3
Posted on: America Online

If anyone knows anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone in Boston that watches B5 can you tell them to write to WSBK-38. They are planning not to renew.

Epsilon 3

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 96-05-05 20:19:36 EDT
From: GSchneiter
Posted on: America Online

B5 Seems to be going strong here. It runs on Fridays after Sliders and X-files, could it get any better? Keep it up WOFL!
-GS

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 96-05-06 01:01:13 EDT
From: VoxLumania
Posted on: America Online

<<B5 Seems to be going strong here. It runs on Fridays after Sliders and X-files, could it get any better? Keep it up WOFL!
-GS>>

Yep! WOFL is doing great. Xfiles followed by Babylon 5 is like heaven on Fridays!!
I wrote them anyway, just to make sure that they renew B5!!!!

Subj: Re:Channel 50
Date: 96-05-06 01:14:23 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

The interesting tidbit I would like to know is how did B5 do against Friends? Does anyone know.

Thanks.

Subj: Re:Boxleitner’s comments
Date: 96-05-06 06:28:30 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>B5 Seems to be going strong here. It runs on Fridays after Sliders and X-files, could it get any better? Keep it up WOFL!<<

Yep, it’s just like a little over a season ago here when B5 aired on Friday nights at 8:00, followed by “The X-Files” at 9:00 and “The Outer Limits” at 10:00 on ShowTime. A Sci Fi fan couldn’t have asked for a better night of quality entertainment with such a great schedule. <g> But, of course, baseball season just had to come around and blow the Friday night B5 lead off all to hell. Damn Mets! Who the hell needs em’ anyway? Surely not Me!

Subj: Re:Channel 50
Date: 96-05-06 06:29:40 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>The interesting tidbit I would like to know is how did B5 do against Friends? Does anyone know.<<

I’d be interesting in finding out that myself. 😉

 

Subj: Re:Why I watch
Date: 96-05-08 15:46:52 EDT
From: Chuggers13
Posted on: America Online

I really like B5 and its cool. But its on at 10:30pm where i live. B5 is put on by WB but the is on UPN where i am. It Must be a conspiracy.WE MUST SAVE BABYLON 5.

Watch out there is a spoiler below.

 

 

 

 

 

KOSH IS KILLED BY SHADOW AGENTS LATER IN MAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subj: RE: Houston we have a problem
Date: 96-05-10 12:28:52 EDT
From: LEXSNARK
Posted on: America Online

PTEN has gone bankrupt!

This has put B5 in limbo!

Warner Bros. apparently can’t afford it. (Too many financial problems of their own)

Whether B5 is doing well in your area or not, write your local stations and tell them you love the show and thank them for carrying it!

Prospective buyers will contact at least some of the stations who carry it to see how it is doing.

And while your at it send messages to Warner Bros. If they know the show has support maybe they’ll pick it up!

JMS is cursed! The smae thing happened to Captain Power! Sigh…

Subj: Re: Houston we have a probl
Date: 96-05-13 17:01:26 EDT
From: LEXSNARK
Posted on: America Online

Okay, according to JMS the previous message is untrue. (PTEN bankrupt)

My apologies to JMS, but I heard it from Jerry Doyle. (At Starcon Denver) Ofcourse Doyle had been to every bar in Denver the night before….

For all our sakes I sincerely hope it is untrue. I love B5! I don’t want to see it get cancelled!

Subj: Warner’s Logic
Date: 96-05-13 17:43:58 EDT
From: Rickeshay
Posted on: America Online

Someone at Warner Brothers feels that we fans would be confused if they were to show repeats of Season 1 because of the different station commander. Someone at PTEN(Warner Brothers division) comes up with the following rerun schedule for the rest of the year: episodes 10-17, then 1-6 then finish up with the new episodes 18-22.

Is it just me or is someone at Warners the confused one?

Rick
Subj: mich tv 20
Date: 96-05-14 22:49:17 EDT
From: Psnooze170
Posted on: America Online

its a good show but where is going and is anyone watching???

Subj: Re:mich tv 20
Date: 96-05-16 01:57:35 EDT
From: LEXSNARK
Posted on: America Online

We’re out here. you should have seen the crowd for Doyle in Denver…

The biggest problem is getting local stations to carry B5 in decent time slots.

Or do what I did, blow off the locals and buy a satellite dish… Ah, wild feeds! I always know when B5 is on!

Subj: In trouble on FOX 23/Albany
Date: 96-05-17 22:42:34 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

I had sent a letter to WXXA here in Albany about a month ago praising the show, and urging them to renew it. Today I decided to give them a call to see if any decision had been made yet for next season.

I was told by someone in programming (I didn’t think to get his name) that nobody had been by trying to sell them another season yet. He didn’t know if there was even going to be another season. He also was highly doubtfull they would pick up the show again if it WAS renewed. Apparently the ratings have been a major disapointment to them. The most recent ratings – since it had been moved to the new 4:00pm time slot – were not in yet, so he’d wait until he saw those for the final decision. But the show has been a consistant disapointment with ratings so he wasn’t holding out much hope.

He said that even when the show was in its 6:00pm time slot the ratings were terrible. They showed a “4” for the hour before the show, a “2” for B5, and a “5” for the hour after the show. (I’m not sure exactly what those numbers equate to.) So people were tuning in for Hercules, switching to something else, then coming back for Star Trek.

He told me that he was surprised by the ratings himself. The core audience that watches the show is extremely devoted, very well educated, but unfortunately very small. And according to the demographics, it’s pretty much exclusively male. This he found surprising because of the many calls he’s received about the show, about 50% of them have been from women.

He did mention that when dealing with a company like Warner Bros. you can never rule out anything, because you don’t know what they’re going to offer. Even though they evaluate shows on a case by case basis, a production company might offer a better price on a group of shows.

It was also mentioned that even if it did get picked up for a fourth season, they would not be able to give it a reliable time slot. Due to the expanding offerings of FOX Sports, they are cutting back on the syndicated programs they’re purchasing, and those that they do pick up will be bounced around the schedule a lot.

So I think it’s time for anyone in the area who watches the show to write in and let them know that you’re out there, and you want the show renewed. Lets try to get them to see that their figures are missing a segment of the viewing audience. I think this is obvious, because I know several women myself who watch it regularly and many of the guys I know who watch it say that their wives/girlfriends also enjoy it. The demographics that show that no local women are watching MUST be wrong. And if this is wrong, maybe their total numbers are wrong too.

The station’s address is:
WXXA 23
815 Central Avenue
Albany, NY 12206

Their phone number is 518-438-8700. I suppose phone calls don’t hurt, but the letters are more important.

Subj: Ratings
Date: 96-05-18 00:47:40 EDT
From: DennisD429
Posted on: America Online

When I first saw and ad for Babylon 5 I thought it was just a rip-off of DS9. I finally got down to watching an episode of B5 a few months ago and let me say that my initial thoughts were completely wrong! This is one of the best shows I’ve seen in a long time. I’ve never been so completely addicted to watching anything. I really don’t watch a lot of TV because most of it is the same morally and politically correct garbage. The recent spawns of Star Trek have been pretty nauseating and it seems that the writers are beginning to rehash all of their old stories (after all, how many times can the Enterprise be blown-up?!?!?!?!). B5 is new and fresh, it deals with a universe and people that haven’t been familiar to the general public since the 60s and one of the reasons that I love this show so much.

The station I watch it on airs the show on Sat at 3:00pm and Sunday at 10:30pm. Pretty odd times but my eyes are glued to the set for both showings. I’ve managed to get my roommate hooked on it and most of the people I work with are now watching. I’ll continue to do my part and I hope that everyone else gets the message out about this show.

Really great shows are few and far between. When a great one like B5 comes along, it’s a shame to think that it just doesn’t get that much attention.

Keep up the great work!
Subj: Re:Ratings
Date: 96-05-18 17:50:05 EDT
From: Gary7sevn
Posted on: America Online

>>From: DennisD429
When I first saw and ad for Babylon 5 I thought it was just a rip-off of DS9.<<

Actually your notion in that regard is completely the opposite in actuality. B5 was first pitched to Paramount, but they passed. *Coincidentally*(Sure!), Paramount then came up with plans for DS9 when JMS was in the process of getting his show produced elsewhere. It was by no accident that DS9 and B5 premiered only a month apart from one another. The Paramount gang was intent on getting their show on the air first so it couldn’t be said that they were in any way copycats, but there are some of us out here who know what really went on behind the scenes beforehand. It’s also by no coincidence that the Paramount crew has been out to sabotage B5 wherever they can out of fear that the show in some way jeopardizes their own franchise. They are a rotten group of people, and you are right –about the only thing they can offer us these days is more of the same moral PC crap in the form of recycled stories. Who needs them! Certainly not I. But B5 I cannot live without. <g>

Subj: Re:Scheduling
Date: 96-05-18 20:59:11 EDT
From: TLobos
Posted on: America Online

Here in Boston the local outlet (WSBK-38) idiotically schedules B5 @ 10:30 sunday nights. I’m there for B5 but is this scheduling stupidity nationwide? A show like B5 with a long term story line needs to be given the time placement worthy its superior writing, acting and special effects. Thank JMS, I’ll be watching. PS, Be Renewed and Prosper!!

Subj: Re:NY Newsday
Date: 96-05-18 23:42:09 EDT
From: Delennn
Posted on: America Online

In today’s New York Newsday, Marvin Kitman printed the results of a poll he took which rated the top television shows in Long Island and Queens. B5 tied with Highlander for 14th place.

And I quote:
“Significantly, ‘Babylon 5′ was stronger than all the Treks. ‘The stories are based on characters and personalities rather than techno-babble,’ explained Beth Rimmels of Westbury. ‘If I hear any of the new ‘Star Treks’ mention tachion particles one more time, I’ll scream. “B5″ is the only one that does classic [sci-fi] stories that comment on something in society today without being preachy.”

 

Subj: Rerun Requests
Date: 96-05-21 09:33:39 EDT
From: WGrace1038
Posted on: America Online
I was reading that Season 3 Eps 1-6 will be shown a 3rd time this year.

Please, Please somehow get Babylon Squared in, if possible, before you do the second run on WWE. I know there are some thoughts about it being confusing, but no more so than having Sinclair ‘come out of nowhere’ for those fans who did not watch the first season. I might actually sit down and watch some of the more important early episodes, instead of going on hiatus for the next 2 – 3 months while the episodes I just saw recently get rerun.
Subj: Good publicity in Portland
Date: 96-05-21 09:54:44 EDT
From: WendyBmgdn
Posted on: America Online

Last Thursday the Portland Oregonian ran the AP story about JMS writing the whole season, ran it on the TV page (B5 shows here on Thursday, so this nicely spotlights the episode).

This week, for the first time the Oregonian highlighted B5 WWE2 as a pick of the night in its Sunday TV Click edition (all the TV listings). While the Oregonian regularly spotlights Star Trek (our local station was one of the first and biggest promoters of ST reruns), this is a first for B5. KPTV, said station, runs radio promos for B5 as well and shows it at 8 pm, followed by DS9.
Text below (teaser spoiler!)

 

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Text: Babylon 4 moves back in time and Sheridan sees the future on the “Babylon 5″ season finale at 8pm on KPTV 12.

Subj: Re:Good publicity in Portlan
Date: 96-05-21 10:24:13 EDT
From: ZenGEOS
Posted on: America Online

Course..we’re only a little more than half thru the season..but so what! Still good publicity :)

Mark-
Subj: WUAB-43 Cleveland
Date: 96-05-21 17:29:18 EDT
From: MarkDuell
Posted on: America Online

Here is part of the response I got from WUAB-43 in Cleveland:

Thank you for your kind letter regarding “Babylon 5.”

We always appreciate hearing from those viewers who enjoy our programming choices. Since we began airing “Babylon 5,” we have received numerous letters from loyal viewers and have watched it build a small, but consistent, niche in the Cleveland market. At this point, it has yet to be determined whether or not another year of “Babylon 5″ will be produced. If the next season is produced, we have every intention of continuing to air it. Regardless of the production studio’s decision, we will continue to air the current season until November of 1996.

/s/ Richard Sullivan
Station Manager
Subj: Re:Rerun Requests
Date: 96-05-22 00:26:42 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

You’re complaining in the wrong place. You won’t find too many people who will disagree with you here. Even JMS has said he wishes they’d show B2, and others, again. But PTEN and Warner Bros. makes all those decisions. They’re the ones we should be making these requests to.

BTW, if you want the schedule (including repeats), you can find it in the Lurkers Guide.

Subj: Re:Good publicity in Portlan
Date: 96-05-23 23:02:17 EDT
From: ReddGator
Posted on: America Online

Can you please provide more information on the AP ariticle?

Thanks.

9/9/96 11:49:53 AM Closing Log file.

 

 

 

 

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