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with the problem of the hair (a wig? That might shock Delenn)
and how she got access to Sheridan’s quarters, there are a few other questions this raises:

Is her appearance part of the ritual, or are ALL Minbari mothers this intrusive on their daughter’s personal lives, or just this one?

If it’s the latter, no wonder Delenn went and joined the B5 circus…to get away from mom!

Seriously, given Delenn and Vir’s comments about the Minbari, I really can’t see her mom behaving so.

ATA, I’m really excited that we’ll find out more about Delenn’s parents soon. I’ve often wondered about her family and how they figured into all of this.

Barrie

Subj: Re:One down?
Date: 96-07-03 21:46:07 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

 

>>Remember the “I will *watch* and catch you if you should fall” line from “Messages from Earth? Think she could count that as #1? ;)<<

Now that I’ve had a little time to think about this statement, I have some thoughts about it (short ones!!)

When she initially said this, I thought it was a rather interesting remark. I wondered if she was testing out how he would react to the idea of her watching him sleep. Because humans don’t have this custom, she might have wondered what reactions he might have and how she would have to approach the situation to get him to go along. We d
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Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 95-11-28 04:50:18 EDT
From: McBri911
Posted on: America Online

Well I thought it was obvious—Sinclair—from the epsiode Babylon Squared–I’m going to assume that it was Delenn’s arm that was touching Sinclair on Bab 4. and one of the reasons “we” didnt get to see Delenn was that the transformation hadnt occurred in real time yet.

which of course asks a few questions what happens to Sinclair’s girlfriend and how do Delenn and Sinclair get aboard Bab 4?

Subj: Re:RERe:Delenn & John
Date: 95-11-29 16:09:49 EDT
From: Angelica71
Posted on: America Online

From: YonaEsq

>ooooo, they gotta. if not, an awful lot of good writing will have been spaced.

<grin> it’s been done before, on this show. Talia, anyone?

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 95-11-30 00:59:30 EDT
From: MythoPhile
Posted on: America Online

<<how do Delenn and Sinclair get aboard Bab 4?>>
I just assumed our good buddy Draal will let out at the right moment, “Did I forget to mention this planet comes with a real handy time scoop function?”

Subj: Let’s do the time warp again
Date: 95-11-30 02:19:07 EDT
From: Tkky
Posted on: America Online

Here’s hoping that the appearance of Delenn on B4 is more than just ye old jump to the left…etc…I’d be REAL disappointed in that old Deus Draal ex Machina.

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 95-11-30 05:01:10 EDT
From: DJMIMI
Posted on: America Online

my two favs too. would love to see the relationship blossom

Subj: Re:Let’s do the time warp ag
Date: 95-11-30 23:52:50 EDT
From: MythoPhile
Posted on: America Online

<<I’d be REAL disappointed in that old Deus Draal ex Machina.>>

That’s one of the reasons I’ve HATED this whole Draal plot from the get-go. B5 has rather meticulously avoided (unlike certain *** other *** shows) the “Why don’t they just” phenomenon. Now it seems we always have Draal’s number on autodial on the console if things ever get too desperate (and don’t tell me he’s not watching). I REALLY hope they’re going somewhere unexpected with this: like blowing up the planet in three or four weeks (which will be about April our time, ye gods).

Subj: Re:Let’s do the time warp ag
Date: 95-12-02 04:29:30 EDT
From: McBri911
Posted on: America Online

I agree if you use Draal in that way–then what’s the point–Yo Q where are you when we need you.

Hopefully JMS has a trick or two up his sleeve reference that.

Subj: The Eternal Triangle
Date: 95-12-03 16:28:47 EDT
From: TrainmanAR
Posted on: America Online

Delenn, John and the Shadows…
Last year was my first watching B5. I’d seen a couple of first season episodes but wasn’t impressed. Then BB (who I never liked before B5) joined and I was intrigued by all the publicity so I tuned in and have been hooked ever since. Especially by the hesitant, budding relationship between Sheridan and Delenn. The screen lights up when the two are on together, especially since their interaction always seems to forward the story arc. In “Comes the Inquisitor”, when Jack askes first Sheridan and then Delenn what they mean to each other, both give purposefully vague answers. Sheridan becomes protective and Delenn says something to the effect of, “That’s not your concern.” How can this be interpreted as anything other than two people beginning to awaken to their true romantic feelings for each other? I know that their battle with the Shadows will keep them from exploring this quickly, but Jack also told them that they would be, “the right people in the right place at the right time.” I agree that they will be the first human/Minbari couple, and that their children will hearal in a new age…

Subj: Re:The Eternal Triangle
Date: 95-12-04 20:35:55 EDT
From: CrisKatt
Posted on: America Online

I agree that BB & MF have great chemistry on screen. It really wasn’t there between MF & MO’H, though I did like Sinclair a lot. I just never saw the relationship that they were supposed to be leading up to. It was much more apparent when BB joined the cast. He & Mira really do “light up the screen” when they’re on it together! :)

Cristine.

Subj: Re: Delenn’s headbone
Date: 95-12-05 01:26:38 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

The Minbari head ridge is firmly attached to the head. It makes for excellent protection from head injuries as demonstrated by Lenier when he got caught in a bomb blast.

The structure originally was going to be an elaborate headdress. They made it into a body part which I think is neat. The Minbari carve their head ridges that’s a form of personal expression.

I and my friend Bill made me up in Minbar garb and make-up. He cast the head ridge out of latex. The make-up took us a full hour and fifteen minutes. I had to wear a baldcap and lots of cream stick make-up. I looked great. Even close friends did not recognize me. I didn’t win in the costume contest but everyone at MiniCon in Minneapolis thought I looked great.

Subj: Churunga
Date: 95-12-05 20:51:37 EDT
From: RosalindB
Posted on: America Online

Congrats on the costume. If folks thought it looked good, then hey, that’s what matters.
If I were to ever wear a costume, I’d go as a ‘changed’ Minbari ala the new Delenn.
Rosalind

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 95-12-05 22:21:58 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Yes, I think they will. Delenn has and will continue to change. She already has a human reproductive cycle. Why not explore other capabilities of her human body?

Subj: Re:Delenn’s Headbone
Date: 95-12-05 22:25:07 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

I can understand and sympathize with the make-up people on this one. I myself have been made up several times to look like a Minbari. The piece of bone that she wears is probably made out of latex and glued to her temples with spirit gum. Sometimes it won’t stay. Sometimes make-up people have a bad day.

Subj: Re:Delenn Assertive Again
Date: 95-12-05 22:41:26 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

I understand from the comic books, which really fill in the gaps and explain details, that Delenn is consider young to be in her position.

Subj: Re:Hair
Date: 95-12-05 22:45:02 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

As JMS says: “we actually do plan these things.” or something like that. Trust the writer. He has a plan.

Subj: Re:Let’s do the time warp ag
Date: 95-12-06 21:03:44 EDT
From: Vorlonboy
Posted on: America Online

I love Delenn.

Subj: Re:Lennier
Date: 95-12-09 16:36:58 EDT
From: FitzJames
Posted on: America Online

I, too, am intrigued by Lennier and his “Secret Caste.” More than once his behavior has suggested a stiffer backbone than has been definitively revealed. I believe he will become “significant” as the seasons march along.

Subj: Re:Past acting work
Date: 95-12-14 23:22:14 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

As far as I know ( and you can correct me if I am wrong), Mira Furlan is from the former Yugoslavia. I understand that certain people, such as actors and others who have access to money, were able to leave the country. She could be one of these. Her accent really adds to Delenn’s alienness even in her quasi-human form.

Subj: Re:Delenn
Date: 95-12-14 23:24:26 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Was that serenity or superiority.

Subj: Re:Clans?
Date: 95-12-14 23:29:21 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

The divisions of Minbari society are Priest, Warrior and Worker.

Most Minbari head ridges are different because they carve them for decorative or symbolic purposes. Most Minbari men let them grow more naturally.

Subj: Re:She knows how to fight?!
Date: 95-12-14 23:32:02 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

I think that it was unnecessary.

Subj: Re:Mira’s Show
Date: 95-12-14 23:41:56 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Martial arts for women are all well and good but I think that it is out of character. Did she use her martial arts ability when she was cornered by the soldiers? I see her as one who is more likely to use subtlety of speech and Minbari technology to protectt herself.

Subj: Re:Let’s do the time warp ag
Date: 95-12-14 23:47:50 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

I don’t think Draal is on autodial. He seems a bit preoccupied to me. Perhaps Draal will forget that there is a B5.

Subj: Re:Changed Minbari Custome
Date: 95-12-14 23:53:51 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

This is easy. Find someone who can do a latex form and attach it to a wrap around hair comb. Then make yourself the fanciest dress you can exposing a minimum of skin.

If you want the email address of my appliance maker it is

qob@aol.com His name is Bill. I’m sure he’d help you out.

Maire

Subj: Mira Furlan/Delenn Fan Club
Date: 95-12-14 23:57:58 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

I suggest that if no one can find a Furlan or Delenn fan club that we, here on aol, start one ourselves. < I am not volunteering my time or resources towards this project yet. This is only an idea.>

marie

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan/Delenn Fan Cl
Date: 95-12-17 22:39:41 EDT
From: JakHaggart
Posted on: America Online

Great idea.

Subj: Re:Ms. Furlan’s acting credi
Date: 95-12-17 22:44:50 EDT
From: JakHaggart
Posted on: America Online

I also saw Mira in her performance of “Antigone”. An absolute smash!!! I loved it. Not only is Mira one of the best actresses I’ve ever seen in a stage production, her husband, Goran, put on a absolutely superb production. What a talented couple! Afterwards, I ventured to compliment them on their play and have yet to meet a more modest and genuinely appreciative pair. They were absolutely darling!

Subj: fan club
Date: 95-12-18 00:53:21 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

A few people have started talking about trying to start up a fan club for Ms. Furlan. If anyone has ideas or wants to help let me know.

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 95-12-18 20:47:09 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Yes, me.

Subj: Re:Mira’s Show
Date: 95-12-18 21:19:44 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I am not suggesting for minute that Delenn becomes the next karate kid! However, any woman, any where should have enough knowledge and confidence in her physical ability to take a swat at an attacker should the need arise! Also, I don’t think it would be entirely out of character, after all, there are a lot of religious/super intellectual people who posesses the means for self defense, and wasn’t martial training part of Lennier’s schooling in temple? So why couldn’t Delenn have a few tricks up her sleeve as well? (and maybe a good hook and jab or at least some pressure points!)
Re: Fan club…there maybe something in the works! Keep your fingers crossed and watch the net!

Subj: Re: Delenn’s fighting talent
Date: 95-12-19 15:53:16 EDT
From: TBrush1090
Posted on: America Online

It is apparent from “Matters of Honor” that Delenn has at least some weapons training, from the able way she clobbers her attackers using Marcus’s quarterstaff.

Subj: Delenn
Date: 95-12-20 14:27:14 EDT
From: Daedeles
Posted on: America Online

Delenn is perfect! I think Mira is doin’ a real good job,…keep it up!!!

Subj: Re:Delenn
Date: 95-12-24 05:12:23 EDT
From: DJMIMI
Posted on: America Online

hey, if someone starts a fan club for Mira, I’m there. e-mail me if anybody has the energy.

Subj: Re: Fan Club
Date: 95-12-26 01:04:36 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

I am also impressed by the abilities of Mira Furlan.
Keep me posted about any fan club you begin.

Subj: Re: Fan Club/Delenn
Date: 95-12-26 15:06:11 EDT
From: Boudaeca
Posted on: America Online

Just another Delenn fan wishing/hoping for a Mira fan club!!! If anyone hears of one please e-mail me. Much thanks!!!

Boudaeca
Subj: Re: Fan Club/Delenn
Date: 95-12-31 04:06:38 EDT
From: ConLJC
Posted on: America Online

i find this series very action oriented and fantastic to watch.

Subj: Delenn,John
Date: 95-12-31 22:45:23 EDT
From: No Problem
Posted on: America Online

Their characters remind me of watching an old movie,where you know they love each other but are afraid to show it.Its because of waiting to see them express this passion innocent now,that I watch babylon 5 at all.If I wanted bordom and unsexless I’d watch Voyger.

Subj: Delenn,John
Date: 95-12-31 22:54:35 EDT
From: No Problem
Posted on: America Online

I think they belong together……. ;-]

Subj: Delenn & John?
Date: 96-01-01 12:22:36 EDT
From: Mikabusky
Posted on: America Online

I for one, am awaiting the return of Sinclair to find out what he & Delenn are doing in/on B4. We already know that they will be together in the future. I think there is some sort of deep connection w/Sinclair & Delenn.

After all, she was given implicit instructions to keep an eye on Sinclair. If he were to discover certain facts before he was supposed to, she was to kill him. Something I noticed she might not have wanted to do, considering her growing attachment to him. She also knows he has a full Minbari soul. Hmmm. Wonder if it someone she knew in the past?

Sheridan seems too much of a hot-headed soldier to me. Sure they may have to rely on each other, even trust each other for the coming war, but I see Sinclair as the survivor. Sheridan w/his nagging thoughts about his wife’s ‘demise’ just may get himself killed by the Shadows. Sinclair seems to have a better grasp of looking to the future, and thinking clearly in the long run. After all, Zathras called him “The One.”

It seems like Sinclair is the leader of the whole Ranger program. It may not have been said, but it seems implied.

Yes, I think Sheridan has become attached to Delenn, & Delenn has some feelings for him… but… I’d rather she end up with Sinclair if it’s between the 2 of them.

Then there’s Lennier…. & his love & devotion to her. But that’s another story altogether.

Looking forward to Michael O’Hare’s next appearance.

Enjoy! <*>

Subj: Re:Delenn & John?
Date: 96-01-01 15:56:27 EDT
From: RPillow
Posted on: America Online

Mikabusky, Sinclair alone is NOT “The One.” The One is, or more properly will be, a single organism, but it will be made up of the souls and minds of many, many people. Sheridan, it would seem, will not be killed by the Shadows because he gives the opening monologue for the second season. As I have stated on these boards many times before, the entire Babylon 5 story has already taken place and is being retold by those who survived. The people who give the monologues for each season would most likely seem to be these people, would they not? If you have been taping the episodes for at least 2 seasons, go back and listen to the beginning of the show. You will notice how everything is referred to in the past tense, indicating that the events detailed in the show have already taken place and are being retold to someone, that someone being us the viewers.

RPillow

Subj: Re:Delenn,John
Date: 96-01-01 20:40:23 EDT
From: MythoPhile
Posted on: America Online

Don’t forget what happened to Moonlighting after they finally expressed their passion for one another. (And was anyone except the writers surprised?) Personally I’m hoping JMS avoids the Star Child Delidan Saves the Day the cliche, and at this point I’m cautiously optimistic.

Subj: Re:Delenn & John?
Date: 96-01-01 20:42:34 EDT
From: MythoPhile
Posted on: America Online

<<As I have stated on these boards many times before, the entire Babylon 5 story has already taken place and is being retold by those who survived.>>
Or more accurately, the narrarators survive their particular season. (Susan doesn’t mention the Third Age bit… maybe she dies before it?) Or maybe it’s a dramatic device which doesn’t necesarily imply survival. Or maybe they’re narrating it from heaven?

Subj: Re:Delenn & John?
Date: 96-01-03 02:04:30 EDT
From: RPillow
Posted on: America Online

Mytho Phile,

At least you got the heaven part right. In a way.

RPillow

Subj: Re:Narrators
Date: 96-01-03 22:41:41 EDT
From: Innis K
Posted on: America Online

It wouldn’t be the first time that the dead narrated past events.
Innis

Subj: Strong female characters
Date: 96-01-03 22:58:14 EDT
From: FORVR MAR
Posted on: America Online

Just a quick note to those of you who applaud B-5 for its strong female characters as much as do I. Another fine show, Forever Knight, who also has some decent female leads is being cancelled. As a fan of both shows, I hope I can count on some help on the letter writing. E-mail me for particulars. Thanks, Marteea

Subj: Re: Strong Female Characters
Date: 96-01-04 00:36:31 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

To: Forvr Mart-We have organized the letter writing
campaign on this Message Center at E.A.S.O.S. We have
just sent off some messages to local northeast stations. Put in your message on E.A.S.O.S. and where
you want to send it and we will get the word out. And
let all your contacts know about this too!

Also, as this is Delenn’s part of the message center-any more word on her fan club? Any contact
with Mira Furlan herself about this?

Subj: fan club
Date: 96-01-04 14:52:06 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

A proposal is being sent to Ms. Furlan and she will hopefully approve it, at which point a fan club will start up.

Subj: Re:Delenn&Sheridan
Date: 96-01-04 21:06:00 EDT
From: Sable229
Posted on: America Online

I am hoping that a relationship will develop between Delenn and Sheridan. There is LOTS f chemistry between the two and it would be sort of a completion of the Circle for both of them. One, Sheridan had the only victory in the Earth-Minbari War, and Delenn was part of the discovery by the Grey Council about the shared souls between Humans and Minbari.

So it only seems logical that in the story arc and what we all know so far that the two of them would develop a relationship.

Subj: Re:Delenn,John
Date: 96-01-05 18:56:40 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I agree!! Too much romance can ruin a good story…..

Subj: FAN CLUB!
Date: 96-01-05 19:01:57 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Yes, contact has been made and the ball has started to roll. Watch this space for more details…I will pass on dates, addresses and etc. as I get them!

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 96-01-06 22:02:17 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Please let me know when the fan club starts up. I want to be involved!!

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 96-01-11 01:07:02 EDT
From: Boudaeca
Posted on: America Online

I wouldn’t mind pitching in if needed either.

Peace,
Boudaeca

Subj: Birth
Date: 96-01-11 19:28:23 EDT
From: Rickeshay
Posted on: America Online

I got my mother to watch B5 recently and her first comment about the show was that Delenn’s mother probably had a hard time at Delenn’s birth. (g)

Subj: Re:Birth
Date: 96-01-11 21:03:07 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

I am of the opinion that Minbari are marsupials who give birth out of a pouch instead of a birth canal. This would allow for larger heads and maybe bone ridges without undue discomfort for the mother. Another possibility is that the bone ridge is soft and supple until a few days after birth so that a canal birth would be easier.

I tell people when I am in my Minbari character that Minbari have no gentals. This usually stops people in their tracks.

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 96-01-11 21:04:23 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Is anyone actually doing anything about starting the fan club? Is there any way some of us can contribute?

Subj: Re:Birth
Date: 96-01-12 20:13:09 EDT
From: RPillow
Posted on: America Online

Rickeshay and Churunga,

According to the Encyclopedia Xenobiologica, Minbari have cartilagenous (sp?) head bones at birth. That is what keeps them from injuring the mother during the birthing process. The bone hardens with age.

RPillow

Subj: Re:Birth
Date: 96-01-12 21:59:32 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Where can I get an Encyclopedia Xenobiologica and for how many credits?

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 96-01-13 00:50:22 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Yes, Ms. Furlan has been contacted, and work on a fan club has been started! If you have any suggestions for things you would like to see in a newsletter, by all means, please post them! In the meantime, watch this space. As soon as I get any definite details/dates I will post them here first!

Subj: Re:Birth
Date: 96-01-13 18:30:37 EDT
From: TrainmanAR
Posted on: America Online

it’s on the www

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 96-01-13 22:38:53 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

In the newsletter I would like to see

1) Cultural, societal and biological information about Minbaris
2) Informational biographies on other Minbari characters
3) Something (anything) written for the newletter by Mira Furlan
4) Letters to Minbar, excerpts from diaries and other such things written by Minbari who are away from home.

I could provide #4.

Subj: Re:Delenn’s crown
Date: 96-01-14 04:21:15 EDT
From: TBrush1090
Posted on: America Online

I believe the statement that a Minbari’s crown is soft cartelage at birth is incorrect. I believe JMS has stated that the crown is not present at birth, but grows in gradually with age, like a moose’s antlers.

Subj: Re:Birth
Date: 96-01-15 00:36:11 EDT
From: RPillow
Posted on: America Online

Churunga,

The Encyclopedia Xenobiologica is available to everyone on the B5 Web site. All you have to do is look it up.

RPillow

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 96-01-15 01:49:57 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Start writing those diary entries….we will hopefully have a section for creative fan contributions! Got any original artwork? That might be nice to include as well….Watch this space – I will pass info on as I get it!

Subj: show times
Date: 96-01-15 19:32:46 EDT
From: Bjdjld
Posted on: America Online

When is Babylon on in Wisconsin

Subj: Diary Submissions
Date: 96-01-16 15:13:59 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

I already have a good start. Just let me know where and when to send it.

Subj: Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-16 23:26:07 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Okay, let’s get some conversation going here!
Who believes it was Delenn on B4 with Sinclair?
Does anyone know what the triangular shape that appeared on her forehead when she first Morden was?
Who thinks she is becoming more human and may eventually become all human?
Who thinks Mira Furlan is the best talent on the show?
Who thinks Lennier will die towards the end of the series trying to protect her? ( I hope not, but I have a feeling…)
Let’s keep this folder active! I know it’s hard without new episodes, but I think we can do it!

Subj: Re: Our favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-17 00:22:16 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

Mira Furlan is easily the best actor on the series, partly because, in a sense, she isn’t acting. She brings with her the burden or the sense of what is
going on in the land of her birth. And she is good enough of an artist to get that across. The mess with
the Centauri and the Narns is something so often repeated in human history, as so it is in the former
Yugoslavia. I look forward to the fan club and the
newsletter. I look forward to hearing from Mira Furlan, who seems to me to be a person with a first
rate mind and character.

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-17 20:46:59 EDT
From: DrgnPrncs
Posted on: America Online

I don’t think Lennier is going to make it through to the end either. And as far as Delenn’s genetics are concerned, my friend, Katiealex, and I phrased a question about that to jms in the “Ask JMS” folder last week. He ignored the question. So we asked again. He ignored us again. Consequently, we think that we may be on to something. Here it goes:
Since the Minbari population has been declining, and the Minbari believe that this may be due at least in part to the migration of Minbari souls to Earth/humans, we believe that Delenn’s “transformation” from Minbari to Human may have something to do with trying to increase the Minbari gene pool. Delenn is definitely turning into a human; not exactly what I would call “evolving”, since I don’t think that it’s necessarily a step up. But we already know that she has a human menstrual cycle, which means that she is capable of human reproduction. Perhaps the prophesy that she is trying to fulfill is that the Minbari’s must look to humans in order for their race to survive. I would be shocked if Delenn hasn’t had a child with Sheridan by the end of the story arc.
That’s my opinion, anyway.

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-17 21:23:06 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Yes, I believe that it was Delenn on B4 with the future Sinclair. It seems as if Delenn, Sheridan and Sinclair are principles in the Minbari prophecy.

The triangular shape on her forehead, I believe, was a symbol of her position as a member of the Grey Council. At least I have most often seen it in that context.

I believe that Delenn will either continue to become more human outwardly, which I think is unlikely, or will endeavor to become more human by trying to understand humans. I believe her transformation is not finished but may not continue in a physical sense – – – unless she does a Kosh. Her own people have ostracized her not because she transformed but because she did not wait until instructed. I feel that she did it at the proper time.

I think the Ms Furlan is one of an ensemble of truly excellent actors. The challenges are particularly great for those who play the aliens. Luckily the writers have made the aliens’ cultures interesting, real and understandable. Except for the Vorlons.

Lennier has a deep devotion for Delenn. I see him as a talented individual who could advance to a higher social and professional level if he wasn’t working with Delenn. He is willing to make that sacrifice because he understands her part in the prophecy — the future. I believe that he will suffer greatly and may even die but he will be redeemed or saved by his mentor. Watch Delenn and Lennier’s relationship. They deeply care for each other. I have noticed that whenever they are in any kind of danger together Delenn always looks to Lennier’s safety before anyone elses.

I am a big, BIG fan of Delenn and the Minbari. Many of you know that I have the necessary appliances to make myself up as a full Minbari. I recommend any fan to do this. It gives one a very different perspective on the Minbari race.

 

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-18 00:13:53 EDT
From: RPillow
Posted on: America Online

EQRIS,

To answer your questions in order:
JMS has said that it definitely was Delenn on B4 with Sinclair.
According to the Encyclopedia Xenobiologica, “A silver triangle appears on the foreheads of grey Council members at varying times and under differing circumstances (perhaps indicating a form of artificial psionic power). The triangle is one element of Grey Council symbology. It’s particular meaning is unknown at this time.”
Yes, I think that Delenn is definitely becoming more human, or are the humans becoming more Minbari? Hmmm…..The Religious Caste stopped the E-M War because they claimed that Minbari souls were being reborn in humans, but what about human souls being reborn in Minbari? Just a thought.
I think that Mira Furlan is definitely one of the top three talents on the show, but in terms of sheer acting talent I think that Andreas Katsulas (G’Kar) is the best.
It’s quite possible that Lennier may die while protecting Delenn from the Shadows, but I doubt that it will be this season. Of course, I could be wrong. I hope not though.

RPillow

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-18 17:03:07 EDT
From: TBrush1090
Posted on: America Online

According to JMS, the triangle symbol is the sign of the grey council. It is an implant that reacts to the presence of the shadows and their associates, hence the triangle appearing on her forehead when she meets Mr. Morden in “Signs and Portents.” The triangle also appears during certain rituals and functions, which may explain why the triangle was present in “And the Sky Full of Stars.”

Subj: Minbari Costume
Date: 96-01-18 23:43:08 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I hope you have some good pictures of yourself in Minbari costume….that sounds like good newsletter material to me! Yes, the fan club is making progress, we have been in contact with Ms. Furlan, and she is putting together some things she wants included. Hopefully the first issue will be ready to go in the spring!

Subj: Re:Delenn&Sheridan
Date: 96-01-19 18:45:51 EDT
From: DSPROULL
Posted on: America Online

Yes!!! Delenn and Sheridan should hook up. They obviously have potential and it would add dimension to the storyline. As the series is usually action oriented, a little romance will heat things up. So far we haven’t seen much in the way of relationships amoung the cast of characters. So here’s to the screen writers, may they follow the way of the matchmaker.
Subj: Re:Delenn&Sheridan
Date: 96-01-20 12:35:50 EDT
From: CeSpaceMuz
Posted on: America Online

Yes, I too believe Delenn & Sheridan will get together….after all JMS was asked if their romance was the reason for Delenn’s transformation, and he said it was 50% of the reason. I am concerned about the unsure status of Anna, Sheridan’s wife, though. I think they have to settle that once and for all at some point.
Also,I too, am afraid that Lennier, who clearly loves Delenn (and Bill Mumy stated that in his interview in “The Official ‘Babylon 5′ Collector’s Magazine” & stated he had discussed Lennier’s love for Delenn with JMS), is going to get killed….What is Delenn crying about in Sheridan’s arms in the beginning of the season 3 shows, anyway?
Mira Furlan is exceptional! She brings Delenn’s many complexities to life beautifully. I also would like to thank JMS for writing strong, complex, funny, and intense female characters.

Subj: Delenn’s crying
Date: 96-01-20 15:00:09 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

The clip at the beginning of the season three shows with Delenn crying in Sheridan’s arms is from the end of “Confessions and Lamentations,” when all of the Markab had died as Delenn and Lennier watched.

Keep watching this board for info on the fan club for Mira Furlan.

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-20 22:47:33 EDT
From: Stone 76
Posted on: America Online

OKay Eqris here are some answers to your questions,
I don’t believe that Delenn was on B4, she never seemed as close to Sinclair as she is with Sheridan. She knew of Sinclair but not on a personal level. Also i think at this point any more information she might have on B4 she would’ve shared by now.

The triangle, I have no idea.

She is becoming more human though constant exposure to humans. Totally human I don’t think so, that would defeat the purpose of her transformation.

Lennier is a very selfless individual. It is not totally out of character for him to sacrifice himself for Delenn, so I suppose it is possible but I don’t think it will happen Lennier is reminder of Delenn’s true origin, and will be a Minbari Jimmney Crickert for Delenn.

As far as Furlan being the biggest talent, I’m not sure I’d have to see her in other things before I made a judgement.

Good questions

Subj: Fan Club
Date: 96-01-20 23:03:58 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

Along with messages about fan club, Minbari costumes, other cultural aspects, has anyone developed a comprehensive picture, or received one from JMS, about what Minbar itself looks like. What
is the climate? What are the cities like? Historical
background(in depth) which makes the Minbari what
they are? How long has the “sympathetic magic” between Minbari and Human been going on, not just the aspect of Minbari souls being reborn Human? Would be interested in input for the newsletter from
JMS or Ms. Furlan. I don’t have the e-mail address- if
anyone has it would appreciate receipt of same.

Subj: Re:Babylon Squared
Date: 96-01-21 00:35:30 EDT
From: TBrush1090
Posted on: America Online

In “Babylon Squared,” the space suited The One is standing before a porthole on the Babylon 4 station, watching the shuttles recede in the distance. He then removes his space helmet, showing himself to be a scarred and much older Sinclair. He then looks to one side off screen, and says, in part, “I tried to warn them.” A female arm extends into frame and touches Sinclair on the shoulder. We then hear Delenn’s voice saying, “They’re waiting for us. We have to go.”

Subj: Appearance of Minbar
Date: 96-01-21 10:43:00 EDT
From: Mikabusky
Posted on: America Online

CELT56… if you read the comics, it gives you a picture of what Minbar is like. It is a crystalline type world. I read something that said some of the buildings were carved out of the crystals themselves, & that the best data crystals come from Minbar.

Can’t wait to see if the show takes us to Minbar. After all, Sinclair is there, so is Vir, & one of the Rangers training grounds. We’ve visited Centauri Prime [albeit in the throne room] but hopefully we’ll get to see Minbar. <*>

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-21 10:54:30 EDT
From: Mikabusky
Posted on: America Online

Eqris, in answer to your questions:
1. We already know what the triange is, as said by JMS & seen in the show.
2. Yes, granted she is becoming more human, but, no, I don’t think she’ll become COMPLETELY human. If she did, then she’d no longer be a BRIDGE between the species. She’d BE the (2nd – Human) species.
3. Yes, Mira is one of the best talents I have seen in some time, but let’s not forget that the whole ensemble is a FABULOUS one, and w/out any of the [key] elements [read: the cast] it would not be the gem that it is.
4. I think Lennier would die for Delenn, but I don’t think she would [if it were in her power] permit it. They seem to both be self-sacrificing for each other. And I think they will be travelling companions [‘into fire & into death…’] for quite some time.

I just can’t wait to see the reunion of Delenn & Sinclair. It’s kinda like their the ‘mom & dad’ for the Rangers.

Definitely interested in the fan club thing. E-mail me any info. Thanx. =) <*>

Subj: Delen & Sheridan =(
Date: 96-01-22 09:32:18 EDT
From: Mikabusky
Posted on: America Online

Some people have expressed interest in having John & Delenn get together, & have EVEN mentioned that they wouldn’t be surprised if Delenn has Sheridan’s baby.

Here we go again. I believe if this were to happen, it would cheapen Delenn’s purpose by simply making her a vessel. How many shows have resorted to this puerile ploy. Star Trek is famous for it. (Remember Deanna Troi ‘getting pregnant by a beam of light?’)

This kind of thing is SO over used, and puts the woman in a lesser position by just being the carrier of the child. Women have many other strong points. Let’s not resort to lame plot devices. She is a very strong character, & I believe she will be a very important part of the coming war w/the Shadows, & helping the side of light to win.

Beside… JMS has repeatedly said ‘no cute robots, babies (kids) or animals… ever,’ to paraphrase him.

Ever waiting for the return of Sinclair…. ‘The One.’

<*>

Subj: Re:Delen & Sheridan =(
Date: 96-01-22 22:25:07 EDT
From: LadyPomona
Posted on: America Online

Mikabusky – I agree with EVERYTHING you wrote! This is l996, not l956, and it’s high time to get over the idea that a woman’s only purpose in life is to have children because that’s the only REAL contribution she CAN make. (And yes, I was around in l956 and yes, that was the message that too many woman not only heard but believed!) Thanks for saying exactly what I was thinking much better than I could have written it!

Subj: Re:Delen & Sheridan =( };>
Date: 96-01-22 23:25:36 EDT
From: Katiealex
Posted on: America Online

your forgetting one thing, the minbari are a race that is genetically dying. their gene pool has for
centuries been depleated. so delenn bridging the minbari/human gap, would not lesson her role
or destiny. i posted this same question to jms and he refused to answer me even after several barbs by myself and several others. so you draw your own conclusions.

Subj: Re:Delen & Sheridan =(??????
Date: 96-01-22 23:31:32 EDT
From: Katiealex
Posted on: America Online

you may have been around in 56′ but you need to grow up. delenn’s contribution of a minbari/human child would not be to show that this is what a woman(of any species) is good for but to help rebuild her dying races genetic pool. the minbari have been dying for centuries because of a shrinking gene pool. so why is it demeaning that she would in her role as the”one” save her race? i can think of no greater compliment to women then this.

Subj: Delenn as Vessel
Date: 96-01-23 04:18:24 EDT
From: OwlGrandma
Posted on: America Online

Don’t worry–her time as vessel, should she (and JMS) choose that role, would be pretty short, compared with 20 years of the interesting, awful, grand, funny, sad, downright bizarre, totally unpredictable, uniquely satisfying possibilities of living with that child. That’s no small contribution, and there’s plenty of scope, because lots of people (the whole village, in fact) would be involved as well. If she wants to know what it means to be human, this is probably the most complete course of study.

Subj: Re:Delenn as Vessel };>
Date: 96-01-23 18:10:39 EDT
From: Katiealex
Posted on: America Online

THANK YOU,
i think that sometimes people forget what it truly means to have children. some people get to caught up in the “sexest” aspects of it.

K.

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-23 22:49:05 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

>I don’t believe that Delenn was on B4, she never seemed as close to Sinclair as she is with >Sheridan. She knew of Sinclair but not on a personal level. Also i think at this point any more >information she might have on B4 she would’ve shared by now.

When B4 returned to the future, Delenn WAS there. They just didn’t show her head at that point so as not to spoil her transformation at the beginning of season 2. But that scene was a “flash forward” from our point of view. It actually hasn’t happened yet. In a 2 part episode later this season we’ll see the “other side” of the “Babylon Squared” episode, where Sinclair returns to go steal B4 from the past.

Also, she was very close to Sinclair – though it does seem like she’s drawing closer to Sheridan now.

Subj: Zathras’ New Math
Date: 96-01-24 10:31:09 EDT
From: Mikabusky
Posted on: America Online

Well… if we are to resort to the birth of a child to unite the races… the choices seem to be: STARKILLER (aka Sheridan) – annihilator of a Minbari War Cruiser or, THE ONE – (aka Sinclair) soldier for the light, and possessor of a full Minbari soul. Hmmm.

I know who my hands down choice here is – Sinclair, of course.

He said in the pilot, that he had a hard time trying to fight the urge to kill any Minbari he saw, after the E-M War. He’s come a long way, babe. He’s even fought for other races (including the Minbari) in the diplomatic ring, against what the EA would expect him to. He’s a fair man, who wants the best for all.

Also… I don’t thing that the scene in “The Parliament of Dreams” was a complete ‘red herring.’ I have a sneaking suspicion, that if Delenn was asked to kill Sinclair at anytime after that point, she could have countered that she couldn’t for 2 reasons. 1. Sinclair has a full Minbari soul & 2. that they were/are married.

So, if they indeed ARE married, then the new math fits. ‘The One’ (Sinclair-the HUMAN w/the Full Minbari soul) + ‘The One’ (Delenn-of Minbari prophesy-the MINBARI/Human w/the full Minbari soul) = The 2 (to bring the THE 2 races together.) [plus, of course a little surprise.] Maybe in B^2 when Delenn said, “They’re waiting for us,” she meant the babysitters. <g>

I think that Delenn & Sincalir have a much deeper bond going than she & Sheridan do.

All I know is that I can’t wait to see Michael O’Hare, Sinclair, & most especially the reunion of Sinclair & Delenn.

<*>

Subj: Sheridan’s wife
Date: 96-01-24 18:22:50 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I left a message for JMS in the “Ask JMS” folder wondering if we would see the return of Sheridan’s wife. All his answer said was “good question”. I would assume that there is a VERY good chance of us seeing her again!

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-24 18:28:18 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Ms. Furlan did A LOT of work before coming to the States, unfortunately, not much of it is available here. Two things you might be able to find, “My Antonia”, which was on the USA network, and a foreign film that won the Palme d’Orr at Cannes, entitled “When Father Was Away On Business”.
Subj: Re:Delenn&Sheridan
Date: 96-01-24 22:20:22 EDT
From: DrgnPrncs
Posted on: America Online

just read an interview with bruce boxleitner in Starlog (i think), and he said that john and delenn *do* have a romance going and that he’d like to see it developed further.

Subj: Re:Appearance of Minbar
Date: 96-01-24 22:21:21 EDT
From: DrgnPrncs
Posted on: America Online

according to the “lurker’s guide”, one of the upcoming episodes this season *will* take us to Minbar!

Subj: Re:Appearance of Minbar
Date: 96-01-25 18:39:51 EDT
From: TBrush1090
Posted on: America Online

“The War Without End,” the two-part episode reintroducing Sinclair, began filming this week. Portions of the story are set on the planet Minbar.

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-25 20:59:21 EDT
From: LadyPomona
Posted on: America Online

Mythologically, the image of the “Chosen One” is fascinating – and is almost never entirely happy. How often do we find Chosen Ones who have been “chosen” for lives of comfort, luxury, security and personal happiness which end at a ripe old age when the Chosen Ones die peace-
fully in their sleep? Their destinies are much more likely to include making great contributions – perhaps saving their people – at equally great cost to themselves. And very often, those contributions are not recognized in their lifetimes – they may be shunned and reviled , their sacrifices seen as pointless, until years after they die (often horribly.) “Glorious” destinies are
seldom without a price! And this gives the Chosen Ones of myth and folklore their heroic stature –
but not usually the conventional “happy ending”. Being “chosen” like this is anything BUT a
guarantee of a charmed life!
Any thoughts on this – on the darker, tragic aspects of being the “Chosen One”? It seems unlikely that anyone who IS “chosen” would be unaware of those aspects or would think it an unmixed blessing . What do you think?

Subj: Fan club:what’s up
Date: 96-01-26 21:12:23 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

What is going on with the fan club? Someone let me know.

Nisa

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-27 01:57:04 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

We just finished an article on Robert Bruce. Often those who are “chosen” do so because no one else will make the choice, and to those who are”chosen” such
is not a sacrifice, even though their path entails terrible violence, suffering and heartache. To The Bruce Alba-Scotland and Freedom were his supreme
value(I think of GKar in this context also). There are
worse things(“Wha’s sae base as be a slave”) one cannot live with. My read of Delenn is that her value
is Love, not a cliche, vague, promiscous love, but a
strong Love for her posterity, and as Minbari souls
are transferring to Humans, a Love for the best in
Minbari and Humans. Any of the scenarios, or possible
scenarios discussed are possible, because of Delenn’s
values, with Sinclair, with Sheridan, with or without
children( but more likely with). From all indications,
Delenn, Sinclair, even “hair trigger” Sheridan, are not
beings to simply throw their life(no matter how many they may have) away in a mere”sacrifice”. They
are too strong, and in Delenn’s case, probably too deliberate.

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-27 23:39:20 EDT
From: No Problem
Posted on: America Online

Delenn treated Sinclair like a teacher to her student.She talks to Sheridan like an equal with joy,laughter and sorrow.Plus physical love,sometimes doesn’t leed to children but a deeper conment.Sheridan does have the hots for her,and she for him.As for marrage they haven’t even kissed yet.

Subj: Reruns
Date: 96-01-28 02:28:51 EDT
From: Gebo28
Posted on: America Online

Jeeze….I am SICK TO DEATH of reruns….cant remember the last time I saw a new episode. I’m considering not watching anymore because I feel I’m getting jipped!!!!!! Come on UPN…wake up, spend some cash and get some new episodes comming!

Subj: Re: reruns
Date: 96-01-29 01:33:07 EDT
From: CrisKatt
Posted on: America Online

NEW EPISODE THIS WEEK!!!!! :)

And if I remember correctly, we’ll have new episodes until at least March. So do not despair! Next week’s episode looks fantastic!

Subj: Re:Our Favorite Minbari
Date: 96-01-30 20:54:28 EDT
From: LadyPomona
Posted on: America Online

Good point about Delenn’s relationship to Sinclair vs. her relationship to Sheridan – and the latter
relationship is also free of a complication that might well surface in a relationship with Sinclair…the vague, disturbing half-memories of her having been one of the members of the Grey Council that interrogated him.( The very fact that those remain only partially remembered would probably make them more difficult to deal with and eventually set aside than if Sinclair fully recalled exactly what had happened to him – it’s hard to “deal with” something if you don’t know what it is!) I too could see a romance developing with Sheridan (and I also agree with you that there are many dimensions to love – which may or may not include marriage and/or children).
For right now, though, I very much enjoy seeing their working relationship of mutual trust and respect – whatever it’s going to lead to!

Subj: Fan Club
Date: 96-01-30 22:47:20 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

The first issue of the newsletter should be ready to go in the spring, and it will be quarterly to start. Cost hasn’t been determined yet, probably somewhere in the range of $12-15….
There will be plenty of contributions from Ms. Furlan, and hopefully A LOT from her fans. We do have an address now, The Mira Furlan Fan Club
P.O. Box 523093
Springfield, Va. 22152-9998
If you’ve got stuff, go ahead and send it in (with a SASE if you want it back, or if you want more info) because we do need things for the first issue. I have to tell you all though, Ms. Furlan has some truly wonderful and sad stories, and on top of everything else, she is a really nice person!
Looking forward to the new episodes!!!
Eqris

Subj: delenn’s new vocabulary
Date: 96-02-01 03:57:43 EDT
From: Pascal86
Posted on: America Online

Top Ten things you shouldn’t teach Delenn:
<<<<<paraphrased from Prodigy with some new ones>>>>>
10> This sucks.
9> Bite me.
8> Abso friggin lootly
7> This sucks big hairy horse balls.
6> Eat me. (the carcass eaters might take her seriously)
5> Sticks and stones…..
4> F–k you. (you don’t know about some races sexual organs)
3> Up yours.
2> Well, daaahhhhh
1> I’m rubber, you’re glue……..

some thing you shouldn’t tell Kosh:
Is that a robatic claw in your suit or are you happy to see me?

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-04 13:24:31 EDT
From: MSand76326
Posted on: America Online

I believe that you hit it the nail right on the head. Delenn an Sheridan look good together and I can certainly picture them as an “Item”

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-05 02:16:24 EDT
From: AshTyr
Posted on: America Online

I think they’re great. Partly because Sheridan has grown as a character much more thank Sinclair ever did. But then, as see Sheridan and Sinclair as the same person anyway, so it’s all moot. :-)
I’d like to see Delenn and Sheridan’s relationship build slowly over the whole series. Good things are worth savoring.
-Ash

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-11 17:15:24 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

It would be interesting, and they seemed to be hinting at it, but lately they seem to have backed off on the subject. I’m not sure a romance could work, anyway, considering the not-exactly-wonderful opinion the Mimbari have of Sheridan. I think Delenn has to much common sense to do yet another thing that annoy her government. Still, I think the show needs a little romance.

Subj: Re:She knows how to fight?!
Date: 96-02-11 19:00:35 EDT
From: LarryNorse
Posted on: America Online

When the fighting stick suddenly appeard in her hands, I thought “Well that scene ended on the cutting room floor”. I like the comparison to the Shaolin, many religious groups train the body as well as the mind.

Larry

Subj: Re:She knows how to fight?!
Date: 96-02-11 23:59:42 EDT
From: LadyPomona
Posted on: America Online

Very interesting – that “Minbari fighting stick” is actually a quarterstaff (familiar to anyone fond of the Robin Hood legends) – a very old and very efficient weapon. (In a recent article about training Marine recruits, there were references to “pugil sticks”, which seem to be quarterstaffs which are padded on each end, which are still being used to train soldiers today.) Makes sense – if you know how to use a quarterstaff, you can turn ANY long, sturdy stick made of any material light enough to lift into a lethal weapon. And yes, she certainly does know how to fight! This is no helpless maiden who blunders into danger and must then be rescued by the first available hero. Refreshing, isn’t it?

Subj: Re:She knows how to fight?!
Date: 96-02-12 15:07:17 EDT
From: Fan of B5
Posted on: America Online

>>In a recent article about training Marine recruits, there were references to “pugil sticks”, which seem to be quarterstaffs which are padded on each end, which are still being used to train soldiers today<<

Yes, pugil sticks are about 4-5 feet long with large pads on the ends. They are used to teach Marines how to fight in hand to hand combat, actually. You know, with a rifle with a bayonet attached to it. It also teaches you how to be aggressive.

Benny

Subj: Yeah, She Fights!
Date: 96-02-14 19:38:21 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

After being involved in the martial arts for about 10 years now, I have to say it was great to see a female character get physical in a self defense situation. (Especially since it was my favorite character on my favorite show.) I am so tired of seeing women in movies or TV series do nothing but stand around and scream while the men do all the work. That’s one of the reasons why B5 is so great, all of its female characters are strong in mind, personality and spirit. (One of first things I was taught in the martial arts is it is not your ability to jump in the air and do spinning kicks a la Van Damme, but the development of the attitude “I am not a victim”.) It IS possible for a woman to be able to defend herself effectively and not lose one ounce of her feminity.

P.S. I should have final info on the fan club in the next few days, I visit with the printer on the 16th. Get ready to send in your contributions to the newsletter!
If you want to send something now, the address is:
Mira Furlan Fan Club
PO Box 523093
Springfield, Va 22152-9998
Ms. Furlan will be a regular contributor……

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-15 00:42:04 EDT
From: December15
Posted on: America Online

I thought they were already married in a “tea” ceremony

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-15 00:48:24 EDT
From: December15
Posted on: America Online

Sorry, ment Jeff. They were married in some sort of “tea” ceremony that was aluded to later as
a ritual wedding.

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-15 17:14:43 EDT
From: Fan of B5
Posted on: America Online

>>They were married in some sort of “tea” ceremony that was aluded to later as
a ritual wedding.<<

It was a Mimbari rebirth ceremony during the first season. It was the episode where each race did a demostration of their religions. However, I seem to remember something about this being a “red herring”. JMS seems to love doing that to us. :-)

Benny

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-15 19:34:16 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

I just clipped this out of the Lurkers Guide regarding the “wedding” ceremony:

<<When Catherine hears about “red fruit” being part of the Minbari ceremony, she asks if there was a serious exchange of looks. When Sinclair confirms this, she chuckles, “Oh it’s a rebirth ceremony all right. It also doubles as a marriage ceremony. Depending on how seriously anyone took it, somebody got married the other day.” Sinclair did not mention who was seriously looking at whom – he may in some sense now be married to Delenn.>>

So it’s not a deffinite that they’re married. It all depends on how serious they took it. And it must not have been too serious for Sinclair since he got engaged to Catherine at the end of the season.

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-15 22:12:28 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I guess we will have to wait until Sinclair comes back to find out the answers about the red fruit and whether or not he ever married Catherine.

Subj: Re:Who are you?
Date: 96-02-16 13:36:39 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

I had a different interpretation of the point of the inquisition. The way I saw it was that the point to his question – “Who are you?” – was that who she was was unimportant. Sebastion reflects at the end that he wanted to be remained, that he wanted fame, and now he is remembered “. . not even as Sebastion . . but only, as Jack.” He wanted Delenn to tell him that it was her mission and not herself that was important. Basically, she was supposed to tell him off. Which she did, with style.

Subj: Re:Delenn
Date: 96-02-16 13:45:47 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

Don’t you think you would be a little stressed out you were suddenly in the middle of a war, you got thrown out of the govermnent, and you transformed into another life form? I think that would unsettle anybody, Mimbari serenity or not. Her change was just one of many factors. By the way, has anybody noticed that Lennier has been losing his calm a little more frequently lately?

Subj: Re:Delenn lost a few guts
Date: 96-02-16 14:04:52 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

I think you should remember that Delenn acted without the consent of her government when she became half-human. Yes, the Mimbari wanted it to happen eventually, but not any time soon. She was subsequently kicked off the gray council, which is being taken over by the warrior cast. Any dealings she has with Sheridan, outside of what is strictly necessary, are against the will of her government. (Starkiller, remember?) She went, in a very short time, from being a political insider to being a rebel and an outcast. Before, she was acting on behalf of the Mimbari government. Now, she is acting of her on her own free will. If she seems a little less sure of herself, its only because of all the recent changes. She hasn’t lost any guts. Yes, she is afraid – but she doesn’t let it stop her. And that takes a lot of courage. I think her knew vurnerability just adds another facet to an already complex character. In my opinion, she is much more real now. The characters on this show just keep getting better.

Subj: Re:Mira’s Show
Date: 96-02-16 14:12:08 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

A romance between Sheridan and Delenn <<would ruin the show –
I have to disagree. It would show a whole new facet to both of their characters. It would be good to see a more personal side of Delenn – though a close friendship might work as well. And it would be very interesting to see the warrior cast’s reaction. Delenn is going to have to split completely with her government eventually, and I think it would have much more impact if it were over an issue of principle rather than policy.

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-16 14:17:18 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

I disagree that Delenn and Sheridan should be fighting the war and not having a relationship. We’ve already seen what happens when people forget that they were people before they were vessels for a cause – just look a G’kar.
And as for Lennier – yes, he loves Delenn, but in a worshipful kind of way. If they ever got into a real relationship they would just be constantly frustrated with each other. (trust me, I’ve been through this one) He would never be able to stand up to her, and she would feel guilty because of the control she has over him.

Subj: Alien pussy
Date: 96-02-16 16:27:11 EDT
From: PredatorJi
Posted on: America Online

HOW could De’Lenn even consider makin it with a human (I dunno if Boxleitner qualifies)…wouldn’t her religion have sumpin to say about that?….I mean the idea of calactic panspermia CAN be takin to extremes

Subj: Re:Mira’s Show/Casting
Date: 96-02-16 16:29:29 EDT
From: PredatorJi
Posted on: America Online

Maybe Cynthia Rothrock could do a guest shot

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-17 03:34:13 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

Now, let me get this straight. Was it a red herring, or a red fruit?

😉

Subj: Re:She knows how to fight?!
Date: 96-02-17 16:54:56 EDT
From: CrisKatt
Posted on: America Online

And any fan of martial arts will recognize it as a Bo staff. It seems many fighting styles have employed the use of a “long stick” for training and fighting for many centuries — it’s nice to see it hasn’t changed in this version of the future! :)

Subj: Re:Yeah, She Fights!
Date: 96-02-17 16:57:56 EDT
From: CrisKatt
Posted on: America Online

Nice to know there are a few of us female martial artists around on this board. I agree 100% with your assessment of the female characters on this show. (I still cringe when I think of the low-point of ST:TNG’s run in their otherwise great Robin Hood Q episode when the best Crusher and Troi could do was hit the fighters over the head with pottery and cower.)

Subj: Re:Yeah, She Fights!
Date: 96-02-19 15:35:24 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

In regard to Crusher and Troi beaning people with crockery in the Robin Hood Q episode…
“Oh, no! I broke a nail!”

giggle, giggle, giggle…..
Go ahead Delenn, smack the bad guys! It’s okay for women to fight back!

…and hey, Cynthia Rothrock may not win an Oscar, but she is one awesome female martial artist! If you’ve never seen her compete, you don’t know what you’re missing!

Subj: Re:Delenn & John-response
Date: 96-02-19 16:25:33 EDT
From: Deanna947
Posted on: America Online

As much as I would like to see them together, I have to agree with my husband that any mushy stuff onscreen would be revolting. I pretty much trust JMS to (if he’s gonna do it) do it tastefully, so that his loyal and diverse following won’t be disappointed.

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan/Delenn Fan Cl
Date: 96-02-19 16:31:31 EDT
From: Deanna947
Posted on: America Online

I haven’t seen a Furlan Fan Club yet and I have been all over the Web. I think you have an excellent idea. What do you have in mind? Also, remember that the “OfficialFanclub” is coming soon.

Subj: Re:fan club
Date: 96-02-20 03:39:18 EDT
From: DreamLiz
Posted on: America Online

I love the character Delenn, she’s wonderful – wise, spiritual, strong. Too bad we don’t see more roles with these traits for women on TV or the movies! Hardly likely is it? SO thanks to jms for creating the Delenn role! –
From DreamLiz

Subj: Re:Yeah, She Fights!
Date: 96-02-20 11:45:28 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

With regards to Delenn’s fighting skills, Delenn’s guts, Delenn’s brains, Delenn’s ideals, Delenn’s new ‘vulnerability’, Delenn’s relationship with Sheridan – I think that all of the above exist is a step in the right direction. JMS – thank you so much for the first well rounded female character in television history! I am so sick of simpering, gorgeous bimbos and sarcastic, kick-boxing femme fatalles. Finally, a smart, attractive woman on television who is actually a real person!

Subj: Re:Yeah, She Fights!
Date: 96-02-20 23:04:57 EDT
From: LadyPomona
Posted on: America Online

SLV80, I second the motion! It DOES seem as if too many TV writers know only one or two ways to portray a strong female character – either as an imitation male or as brilliant, successful and utterly ruthless,cold,unloved, etc. Isn’t it great to see a complex, multidimensional character who can’t be slotted into a stereotype?!

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-02-21 04:53:30 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

I read an interview with Mira Furlan and Bill Mumy in a magazine and Bill said that Lennier is definately in love with Delenn, but that he won’t try anything because he just wants her to be happy. I think his love is more than just worship.

Nisa

“A lover of all things, except you.” NM

Subj: Delenn & John =(
Date: 96-02-22 14:06:39 EDT
From: Mikabusky
Posted on: America Online

Just remember when Sheridan fell asleep during dinner… & extend the metaphor. Delenn & Sheridan… naaah.

Sinclair wouldn’t do that. After all, they WILL be together on B4. [Big grin.]

Re: JMS saying the marriage ceremony was a red herring – which part was the red herring, & was saying that it’s a red herring IS the red herring?

Or is that another kettle & color of fish?

Fish heads, fish heads. Roly poly fish heads. Eat ’em up, yum. <- Tribute & thanx to Bill Mumy

M <*>

Subj: Re:Delenn & John =(
Date: 96-02-23 02:26:46 EDT
From: Churunga
Posted on: America Online

Stop worrying about Delenn and John and just enjoy the story.

Remember, in that “wedding” ceremony she gave a fruit to all the ambassadors and officers.

Subj: Re:Delenn & John ::)))
Date: 96-02-23 03:37:13 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< Remember, in that “wedding” ceremony she gave a fruit to all the ambassadors and officers. >>

Oh, MAN! That means she’s married to EVERYBODY on the station!

Except G’Kar. He wouldn’t eat the fruit.

(Now Delenn won’t see him in a bikini.)
Subj: Re:Delenn & John ::)))
Date: 96-02-23 17:43:24 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

What episode is that, where she gave fruit to everybody?

Nisa

Subj: Re:Delenn & John ::)))(
Date: 96-02-24 02:09:46 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I can’t remember the name of the “wedding episode”, but it’s the one where Lennier first comes on board, and the station is having its “share your religion” day. Londo has the big feast where he’s crawling on the table…Sinclair introduces a priest, rabbi, shaman, and other human holy people….Someone help out, what is the name of that episode?

G’kar would look awful in a bikini…besides, I think he has the figure for a speedo instead! 😉

Yeah, I can see him now, reclining on some nice, hot rocks, being fed little pieces of red fruit by Na’toth….and Londo fanning him with palm fronds….

Subj: Re:Delenn & John ::)))(
Date: 96-02-24 23:45:00 EDT
From: IcyTundra
Posted on: America Online

The episdoe title your looking for is “The Parliament of Dreams”. JMS has said several times that it wasn’t a wedding ceremony, it was a rebirth ceremony. The “doubles as a wedding ceremony” line was put in to throw everyone off. It was all about Delenn’s transformation.

Subj: To: EQRIS
Date: 96-02-25 08:19:44 EDT
From: DLyulkin
Posted on: America Online

Hi, my name is Elizabeth and I’m a great fan of Mira’s. If you need any help with the newsletter
just let me know- doing anything for her and her wonderful fans would be a pleasure. Also, are
you gonna have poetry in your newsletter?

Subj: A poet and didn’t know it…
Date: 96-02-26 19:23:03 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Poetry is more than welcome!
….and for those so inclined, check out JMS’s poetry in the “Ask JMS #5″ folder!

Subj: Joe’s poetry
Date: 96-02-26 20:36:32 EDT
From: DLyulkin
Posted on: America Online

What about some nice poetry dedicated TO Joe in the Poetry file? Is anybody gonna read it
or is it just Ro’s and mine mutual appreciation society in action? We’d like other people’s
comments and criticism. ( Hint. ) Liz.

Subj: mistake
Date: 96-02-26 20:47:24 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

Not really a spoiler, but (from Messages From Earth)…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
At the end of the scene between Delenn and Sheridan in the sleeping quarters on the White Star, there’s a closeup of her and it really looks like her bone has almost completely fallen off, or at least slipped backwards quite a bit. Did anyone else notice this? It looked really odd to me.

Subj: Mira and AOL
Date: 96-02-27 09:40:54 EDT
From: DLyulkin
Posted on: America Online

Joe is Online, B 5 Doc is Online, can we do something about getting Mira Online? ( Grin. )
Especially now that there is a nice little folder ” History and Politics in B 5 “. I think she should
be the moderator of that one.

Subj: Re:Mira and AOL
Date: 96-02-29 05:14:45 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

I like that idea.

Nisa

Subj: Metal head vs. hair
Date: 96-03-01 12:06:41 EDT
From: QUIGLEYPUB
Posted on: America Online

I thought she looked better without the hair….more exotic.

Subj: Re:Delenn&Sheridan
Date: 96-03-01 14:54:00 EDT
From: Moon2river
Posted on: America Online

I am looking forward to “Point of no Return” since I can”t watch it till Sat.JMS is swift.He made Sheridan see what it would be like without Delenn,and the knowing of how much shes beginning to mean to him,and how much he depends on her.Did you notice that in messages Sheridan started telling Delenn more about his background and his needs and fears.In aaway,thats his point of no return,towards Delenn.I’m an army brat.Captains always try to stay aloof.Maybe JMS had a double meaning to his title a point of no return.Sheridan agains’t earths night watch and his growing feelings towards Delenn.-Moon2River

Subj: Re:Mira and AOL
Date: 96-03-01 20:24:02 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

She does appear on Genie once in a while, but we can certainly ask her about AOL…..
Subj: mIRA AND aoL
Date: 96-03-01 22:55:14 EDT
From: DLyulkin
Posted on: America Online

( nOW, WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY COMPUTER? – GRIN. ) Mira’s on genie? Tell her to
say ” hello ” to Misty Lackey- she’s on genie as well!

Subj: Re:A poet and didn’t know it
Date: 96-03-02 04:39:55 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< Poetry is more than welcome! >>

“Aaah! Poetry! ‘There once was a man from Nantucket…'” — Delenn, pilot episode.
Subj: FAN CLUB IS READY!
Date: 96-03-03 19:53:01 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Thanks for your patience everyone, since I have never done anything like this before, it has taken some time and some trial and error to get things going….However, The Mira Furlan Fan Club is ready to roll! We are going to have a quarterly newsletter (fan produced), and all new members will receive a copy of Ms. Furlan’s resume, a short *autobiography*, and photos! (as Delenn and without make-up) The first issue of the newsletter should be ready in the late spring, so if you have something you would like to contribute, please send it in!
Dues are $10 a year, and $15 overseas
and the address is…
The Mira Furlan Fan Club
PO Box 523093
Springfield, Va. 22152-9998

(We need articles, poetry, artwork, puzzles, comments and whatever else you wonderfully creative people can think of!)

BTW, this does have Ms. Furlan’s sanction, and she will be contributing on a regular basis….

Subj: Re: mIRA AND aoL
Date: 96-03-03 22:08:01 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

What is Genie?

Nisa

Subj: Re:Metal head vs. hair
Date: 96-03-03 22:08:50 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

I like her better with hair.

Nisa

Subj: AOL and genie
Date: 96-03-03 22:30:26 EDT
From: DLyulkin
Posted on: America Online

EQRIS, wanna handle this one- computers ain’t my cup of tea. ( Grin. ) I never thought of
going Online until a month ago, so I never got to ask Misty or anyone else on genie what
the difference is. I’d be interested to find out more as well.

Subj: Re:AOL and genie
Date: 96-03-05 23:20:06 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Ummm, as far as I know (with my limited computer knowledge) genie is another online service, just like AOL. If I am totally wrong about this, I apologize profusely and you all may flog me with spoo…..

Subj: Re:AOL and genie
Date: 96-03-08 13:56:56 EDT
From: TrustKn01
Posted on: America Online

Genie is an online service but it is text based and America Online is graphical.

Arianna

Subj: Re:AOL and genie
Date: 96-03-13 21:34:52 EDT
From: SandraB852
Posted on: America Online

GEnie is another on-line service. Used to be owned by General Electric GEnie!! They were recently purchased by another company, however, and raised their charges quite a bit. Many folks over there have gone to CompuServe or come to AOL. JMS is on GEnie, has been for quite some time. There are a few other folks there as well, Peter David, Lois Tilton & John Vornholt, Tim DeHaas (novel & comic writers). The group meets every Friday night for chats and this has been going on for quite a while. Arne Starr (comic illustrator) moderates the discussion most of the time. It’s actually pretty cool.

Sandy

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-03-29 12:27:27 EDT
From: RGaydos282
Posted on: America Online

No doubt about it, but not without ramifications with the Centuri Empire

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-03-30 22:15:15 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

Centauri? Do you mean Minbari, or did I really miss something?

Subj: Calling all Fans….
Date: 96-03-31 15:27:55 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

The Mira Furlan Fan Club is starting to pick up steam. We actually have some members now! The final revision of the new member pack is at the printer’s now, and they should be in the mail by the end of the week! (I Hope!)
BUT…we are in desperate need of contributions for the newsletter! We can’t have a good newsletter without fan input, so, come on everyone! Even if you aren’t a member of the club you can make contributions to the newsletter! We will take all articles, letters, comments, pictures (any artists out there?), puzzles, poetry, pen pals, ads, and whatever else. The only thing we can’t take is fan-written fiction.
Send ’em in to:
The Mira Furlan Fan Club
PO Box 523093
Springfield, Va. 22152-9998
Enclose a SASE if you want things returned….
…and if you want to become a member, annual dues are $10 a year, $15 overseas….

Subj: Delenn’s ‘transformation’
Date: 96-04-01 11:37:25 EDT
From: BrettJor
Posted on: America Online

I’m very new to this series, and I think it is great. What is this transformation, and why does she have hair now, but not in earlier episodes. Can anybody be ‘transformed’ or just her? Any help here would be appreciated.

Subj: Re:Delenn’s ‘transformation’
Date: 96-04-01 13:04:07 EDT
From: Fan of B5
Posted on: America Online

>>I’m very new to this series, and I think it is great. What is this transformation, and why does she have hair now, but not in earlier episodes. Can anybody be ‘transformed’ or just her? Any help here would be appreciated.<<

Delenn is now part human and part Mimbari. As to why and how, I would suggest that you take a look at the FAQ. From the main B5 screen, click on Babcom, and then on FAQ. To try to explain everything since her transformation would take a LONG time. Also you may want to check out the B5 WWW site, called the Lurker’s Guide. You can get to it also from the main B5 screen. Hope this helps. :-)

Benny

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-04-01 20:29:30 EDT
From: VAMPONLN
Posted on: America Online

I totally agree with you……..

Subj: Mimbari and Vorlons
Date: 96-04-02 23:07:12 EDT
From: Dixon 8731
Posted on: America Online

I have a theory. It is obvious that the Mimbari have a secret pact with the Vorlons. What if the real reason they surrendered in the Earth/Mimbari War was that they were reminded of what happened between themselves and the Vorlons long ago. Think about it. The Mimbari, new to space, have an encounter and a disagreement with the Vorlons. The Vorlons destroy most of the Mimbari fleet, but when they reach the homeworld, they show mercy. Perhaps the Mimbari were reminded of themselves in the War, and surrendered to Earth.

Subj: Re:Mimbari and Vorlons
Date: 96-04-03 17:58:25 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

If that’s true then why go into this long detailed explanation of humans having Minbari souls? The Minbari wouldn’t just say that because they were reminded of themselves and the Vorlons and didn’t want anyone to know, the humans having Minbari souls is more personal than humans reminding them of themselves. I think what Delenn said about the Minbari souls was partly true, I also think that the Grey Councel knew that they would need some human help in the upcoming war with the Shadows and for those two reasons they surrendered. Just my humble opinion.

Nisa

Subj: Re:Delenn’s ‘transformation’
Date: 96-04-05 10:52:04 EDT
From: Quiff100
Posted on: America Online

Delenn entered a sort of cocoon and over a few episodes altered. She is now part human and has hair and periods.

Subj: Re:Delenn’s ‘transformation’
Date: 96-04-06 14:57:22 EDT
From: REBinAZ
Posted on: America Online

She looks way better with hair!
As for periods, that was a funny episode when Ivanova had to explain to Delenn
what a period was!
Ro

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-04-06 21:57:36 EDT
From: EspressJAG
Posted on: America Online

ABSOLUTELY NO! They should not be paired together! What about Sheridan’s possibly alive wife with the shadows?!

Subj: Re:Sheridan & Delenn
Date: 96-04-06 21:58:48 EDT
From: EspressJAG
Posted on: America Online

Add tonight’s kiss on the hand……..

Subj: Re:Sheridan & Delenn
Date: 96-04-06 23:00:29 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

I tend to think that Delenn will be there to support Sheridan as he discovers some difficult stuff, like that his wife is really not truly alive anymore, just a “mouth of Sauron” type . . . thus opening the door to a permanent Delenn/Sheridan “alliance.” 😉

Subj: Severed Dreams
Date: 96-04-06 23:30:48 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

Wow!!!!!
Okay, with that said – over the past several months (that’s B5 months, not real-world months), Delenn seemed to be very much on edge, uncertain. I think she hoped that her government could still hold together, that she could make them see reason. (so much for that idea – and about time, too.) Now that she has decided to take action, on her own, I think we will be seeing a more aggressive and decisive side her personality, much like we saw in the first season. She had been acting very passive over that last few months, and I think her government felt that she was no longer a major concern, that they could safely ignore her. Well, they pushed her a little too far.
All-time best Delenn quote ever – “Why not?”

Subj: “Why not?”
Date: 96-04-07 02:20:12 EDT
From: SarahACnnr
Posted on: America Online

I agree, all-time best Delenn quote. She was tough!

Subj: Re:”Why not?”
Date: 96-04-07 03:46:46 EDT
From: XFTrstno1
Posted on: America Online

I loved that but I thought the whole line was EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!

“Why not?? Only one human Captain has ever survived battle with the Minbari Fleet, he is behind me, you are in front of me.
If you value your lives BE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!

 

Arianna

Subj: Re:”Why not?”
Date: 96-04-07 12:16:48 EDT
From: CrisKat
Posted on: America Online

That whole speech was definitely the best part of a show that had a lot of great content. Awesome!

I can’t wait to see what happens next week!

Cris.

Subj: Gray Council
Date: 96-04-07 14:19:41 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

Question – does the Gray Council still exist? At the very least it’s split. And if there is no Gray Council, who now rules the Minbari? Delenn? She was chosen by Dukat (spelling?), but she turned down leadership of the Gray Council in the first season. Will be quite interesting to see how this works out.

Subj: Re:Gray Council
Date: 96-04-07 20:19:09 EDT
From: RaW1
Posted on: America Online

The portrayal of Delenn by Mira Furlan is worthy of an Emmy nomination. I have never seen such a blend of fragility, mystery and strength in any science fiction character. This is masterful.

Subj: Re:Gray Council
Date: 96-04-07 21:59:33 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

that scene at the end of the grey council session was very interesting. remember, when they replaced delenn, it was not with someone from the religious caste, but another warrior caste. Which meant 2 religious, 3 worker and 4 warrior. only 3 were left in the council chamber… so, looks like one of the warrior caste followed delenn, which would explain the gesture between the two council members.

Subj: Re:Emmy nomination
Date: 96-04-07 22:10:36 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Now, if somebody in the right place would just realize that some sci-fi actors are worthy of nominating. I agree — Mira Furlan’s performance is awesome!

Subj: Re:Gray Council
Date: 96-04-07 22:38:55 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

<<that scene at the end of the grey council session was very interesting. remember, when they replaced delenn, it was not with someone from the religious caste, but another warrior caste. Which meant 2 religious, 3 worker and 4 warrior. only 3 were left in the council chamber… so, looks like one of the warrior caste followed delenn, which would explain the gesture between the two council members.>>

Actually, there were only five who followed her out, leaving the four warrior caste members. The entire chamber wasn’t visible in that shot, so we didn’t see the forth. (But I’ll bet if the wide screen version is ever released, you’ll see all four of them then!)

Dave

Subj: Re:Gray Council
Date: 96-04-08 03:29:00 EDT
From: Sunnielady
Posted on: America Online

I agree that this episode with Delenn taking such a strong stand with the Gray Council was extremely exciting. I actually cheered when she chased off the attacking Earth forces. Also, I was pleased to see that more than half of the council chose to follow her from the chamber. It will be interesting to see what repurcussions, if any, there will be from the “breaking of the council.” Can hardly wait to see the next episode….

Subj: Re:Emmy nomination
Date: 96-04-08 10:44:44 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

Well, last year X-files got some recognition – unfortunately, X-files isn’t pure sci-fi, so it is yet to be seen if that had any effect on the entertainment industry’s snubbing of good science fiction. Mira definutely deserves an emmy.

Subj: Re: Emmy Nomination
Date: 96-04-08 23:50:37 EDT
From: Merrr71703
Posted on: America Online

I strongly agree with all of you. Mira’s performance in this weeks episode was spectacular! I can see why they had John react like that (“…the finest moment in my life…”). It’s about time she became more involved with the B5 politics, especially since she considers herself John’s “partner”.

I also admit I would like to see the romantic aspect of their relationship progress. It adds a nice touch.

Subj: Re:Gray Council
Date: 96-04-09 00:42:47 EDT
From: MythoPhile
Posted on: America Online

<<Which meant 2 religious, 3 worker and 4 warrior. only 3 were left in the council chamber>>
I counted 5 that left with Delenn – which meant 4 remained, of which 3 happened to be on camera.

Subj: Re:Gray Council
Date: 96-04-09 02:02:36 EDT
From: Airpgh
Posted on: America Online

The Grey Council is broken. The Mimbars are split

Subj: Re: Emmy Nomination
Date: 96-04-09 16:50:49 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

I agree that Mira deserves an Emmy. She is an excellent actress.

Nisa

Subj: Re:”Why not?”
Date: 96-04-09 16:57:18 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

< “Why not?? Only one human Captain has ever survived battle with the Minbari Fleet, he is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives BE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!! >

I agree. The best line. I can’t wait to see next week’s episode!!! I hear Delenn gets kidnapped by the Nightwatch in that one.

Nisa

Subj: Re:Severed Dreams
Date: 96-04-09 20:14:01 EDT
From: AshTyr
Posted on: America Online

As a fellow B5 fan put it, after “Severed Dreams” you will “bow down and worship Delenn for the goddess she is!” :-)

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-04-09 22:30:27 EDT
From: LifeBrite
Posted on: America Online

Yes they should they appear they should anyways.

Subj: Re:Severed Dreams
Date: 96-04-10 01:39:05 EDT
From: Jojosf
Posted on: America Online

Ashtyr: I couldn’t agree more — Delenn was sensational! Very exciting turn of events. Great performance by her.

Subj: Re: Emmy Nomination
Date: 96-04-10 19:04:50 EDT
From: REBinAZ
Posted on: America Online

I wish she would be even up for an Emmy but Hollywood is so bad about giving credit
to scifi and/or syndicated shows.
Ro
P.S To show how out of date the Emmy board is: The last scifi actress(or actor)
to win was Lindsay Wagner for “The Bionic Woman” in the 70’s!!!!

Subj: Re:Gray Council
Date: 96-04-10 20:59:40 EDT
From: Dastari
Posted on: America Online

I agree, Mira Furlan’s performance in “Severed Dreams” was phenomenal! She deserves a nomination!

-Damon

Subj: Mira/ Delenn
Date: 96-04-11 18:20:55 EDT
From: Orange5193
Posted on: America Online

When you see who DOES get Emmy nominations, it would be almost an insult to include Mira Furlan’s name on the list. It would be like nominating a champion thoroughbred mare in a “Cutest Performing Circus Pony” competition.

Mira Rules!

James

 

Subj: Ceremonies
Date: 96-04-15 16:46:41 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

Another great episode, with some interesting insights. Delenn seems intent not only on saving the universe in general but all its inhabitants as well . . . sooner or later she’s going to have to realize that she can’t fix everything.
Subj: Ceremonies Again
Date: 96-04-15 16:57:15 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

My computer cut me off in the middle of posting the message . . . it’s been doing things like that lately. I think Sparky the Artificial Personality may have been a bad influence . . .
Anyway, I was saying – Delenn is taking up way more responsibility than any one person can handle. This is going to catch up with her sooner or later.
Anyone else notice that this seemed to be an everybody-loves-Delenn episode? Sheridan and Lennier, and I think maybe something implied with Marcus. Or maybe not, I thought they were setting him up with Ivonova. And that’s a whole ‘nother issue right there . . . oh well. This episode sure complicated a bunch of things.

Subj: Re:Ceremonies Again
Date: 96-04-15 21:05:24 EDT
From: RosalindB
Posted on: America Online

<<Anyone else notice that this seemed to be an everybody-loves-Delenn episode? Sheridan and Lennier, and I think maybe something implied with Marcus.>>

I don’t think anything’s implied with Marcus and Delenn. It seems he just has a great deal of respect for her. He’s definitely has a soft spot for Ivanova.

Subj: Re:Ceremonies Again
Date: 96-04-16 12:59:34 EDT
From: AmberH
Posted on: America Online

I don’t think Marcus is in love with Delenn, but he does respect her and hold her in a somewhat awe-filled esteem. And I don’t buy Lennier’s “a pure, untainted love” stuff either…

Subj: Re:Ceremonies Again
Date: 96-04-16 15:03:59 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

I think that depends on what you consider pure and untainted.

Subj: Re:Ceremonies Again
Date: 96-04-16 15:43:36 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

Rebirthing ceremony concept reminds me of spiritual retreat.
Look back and learn from the past but don’t stare-
( could be the foundation of ceremony just a phrase that comes to mind.)
Letting go of the past and old ideas –
( synbolized by the shedding of EF uniforms.)
The plot left a bit to be desired but the concepts are there and to me well done.
Marcus fighting the room of thugs- his inner battle with self. How can he forgive and trust others unless he first learns to forgive and trust himself.
*** Note: Like SLD80 My computer cut me off twice in middle of long message Ivanova board. Haven’t tried posted second half again. Has it happened to other recently – Is the problem network or local?

Subj: Re: Ceremonies
Date: 96-04-18 23:31:42 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

Interesting note: We noticed that in the upcoming “Avalon” episode Michael York has come in out from the past, and that in “Ceremonies” much of the complement to Mira’s acting was in the persona of Don Stroud, truly one of the best(or worst-which would be the best in that category) villains of all time. They really know how to cast dark against light on this show, and casting Stroud and his thugs against Delenn really showed her off in her virtues.

Subj: Re: Severed Dreams
Date: 96-04-19 09:46:11 EDT
From: DLyulkin
Posted on: America Online

I can’t stop thinking about how lucky Sheridan is- to find a woman or man who’d be willing to
ride to one’s rescue with such fierce determination and love on her/his face is everyone’s dream.
I think that scene was Joe S. at his very best. Almost makes even a stone hard cynic like
myself believe in love! ( Grin. )

Subj: Re:Ceremonies Again
Date: 96-04-20 11:40:48 EDT
From: RICinAZ
Posted on: America Online

Marcus just thinks of Delenn as a mentor/mother fiqure. But has the steaming hots for Ivan-anova as per the network (ISN). I agree Sheridan is a handsome MAN. But Lennier is a cute man. And Delenn Looks better BALD…
Is there a possible Continuty Problem??
Delenn was Bald when Sinclair came back for Babylon4… .

Subj: Re:Ceremonies Again
Date: 96-04-20 14:47:45 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< Is there a possible Continuty Problem??
Delenn was Bald when Sinclair came back for Babylon4… .>>

Really? Are you 100% sure? Do you have a wide-screen TV set? I ask this because on MY television picture, all I could see of Delenn was her left arm, wearing the sleeve of the red dress that we saw in its entirety for the first time AFTER Delenn came our of her chrysalis. I have this show on tape, and I’ve checked it several times.

So, I ask again, are you sure you actually SAW Delenn’s face when Sinclair returned from B4? My guess is that you have mentally “filled in” information that you thought you saw, or expected to see — we all find out we have done that, from time to time. No shame in it. But I think that the producers of B5 were being very VERY careful not to show you Delenn in that scene because at the time, we had not seen her emerge from her chrysalis. (In fact, althought I’d have to go back and check, in the main story at the time, I think she hadn’t yet even finished building the machine that MADE the chrysalis.)

Subj: Getting cut off
Date: 96-04-21 08:43:14 EDT
From: CWheater
Posted on: America Online

I’ve been FRUSTRATED for the last several weeks. I get cut off repeatedly. Downloading is nearly impossible, and I don’t even try to access the WEB from AOL anymore, because it’s a guaranteed cut-off. I thought it was my equipment, until I tried it from work and got the same thing.

Subj: Flarn
Date: 96-04-24 04:07:12 EDT
From: GeeJayMike
Posted on: America Online

Looking for a good flarn recipe. Fanny Farmer doesn’t have it.

Subj: Re:Flarn
Date: 96-04-25 19:02:24 EDT
From: Geann
Posted on: America Online

try Betty Crocker or Good Housekeeping. Looks like colored tofu to me!!

Subj: Re:Flarn
Date: 96-04-25 23:09:51 EDT
From: DaveShufon
Posted on: America Online

<<Looking for a good flarn recipe. Fanny Farmer doesn’t have it.>>

That’s your problem. You need to go to Fanny Flarner! :-)

Subj: Re:Flarn
Date: 96-04-26 16:31:53 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

it did look like tofu…and I thought it was supposed to be much greener?

Subj: Re:Flarn
Date: 96-04-26 23:49:40 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Is it animal, vegatable, or mineral? or alien? or vegameatavitamin?
…and is it true it is an aphrodisiac?

Subj: Re:Flarn
Date: 96-04-28 08:57:04 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

Wasn’t it a vegetable last time? Yes, it did look very much like tofu. And what happened to the whole meditation thing? I guess this was a combination human/Minbari meal. Very interesting.

Subj: Re: Flarn
Date: 96-04-28 20:35:01 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

Last year at the San Diego Comic Con, JMS showed a B5 “blooper” reel. One of the big hits was the scene with Delenn and Lennier that immediately followed Sheridan’s departure from Delenn’s “properly prepared” dinner and ceremony. You may recall that she and Lennier had a brief exchange in Minbari, with no subtitles. The “blooper” added subtitles:

Lennier: He hardly even touched the Flarn.
Delenn: Your Flarn sucks, anyway.

I couldn’t help but think of this when Sheridan displayed his big pile of Flarn a la Sheridan!
Subj: Re: Flarn
Date: 96-04-28 22:22:52 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Oops, sorry Lucy, I meant to say “Vitameatavegamin!”
At any rate, I don’t think I would like to try any of it any time soon….But hey, if a good-looking guy offered me a plate of it, I might be tempted….

<*>

Subj: Late Delivery from Avalon
Date: 96-04-29 00:05:12 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

War is Hell. David McIntyre paid everyday of his life for the action which precipitated the Minbari War. Not a war criminal deliberately inflicting slaughter,
nor an incompetent, but precisely because he was neither he condemned himself and hid in a legend. Because of Delenn’s connection to that fateful event
she had to be the only one to heal him. When she came in and took the sword we thought who had gone through worse pain. Mira did just enough with that to make it so powerful.

Subj: Re:Late Delivery from Avalon
Date: 96-04-29 17:21:59 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Amazing how one of the most powerful performances in that episode was given by the cast member with no lines in the show!

Subj: Re:Late Delivery from Avalon
Date: 96-04-29 23:01:15 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

It was said of Saint Columba,(a relation of one of us)and an almost contemporary of Arthurs, that he brought to the people the gift of silence. We thought
about that statement when we saw this.

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-04-30 18:43:47 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

very cool thought

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-04-30 20:01:44 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

There is just that special something about an actess/actor who has had theatre training. You can see it in every move Ms. Furlan makes. I love the show, and her work is one of the main reasons why. (Of course, everyone else does a great job as well! They all seem to have a great chemistry going….) Anyone else care to comment on the acting talent?

Subj: Re:Hair
Date: 96-05-01 17:50:49 EDT
From: PredatorJi
Posted on: America Online

Bald head good!! Hairy head bad!!!

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-01 19:58:40 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

I agree — live theatre training cannot be topped. Nowhere else does an actor learn how to create a character from within. You can always tell who’s had that training by the caliber of performance.

I think on B5 we are very lucky as viewers because, even when the training and talent is not as obvious as it is with Mira Furlan, we’re talking about an ensemble cast with a remarkably high level of talent, and that makes for a great show, in any venue.

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-01 22:32:04 EDT
From: MARNVOTE 1
Posted on: America Online

Ms. Furlan brings a great depth to her character. As an actress myself I respect her immensely for her ability to convey nueances. However I really think her endearing charms come from the character itself. How many times have you said to yourself I wish I could be like her, meaning Delenn. I know I have. She has such great understanding of life itself

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-02 18:43:28 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

While I agree that her character is wonderful, I also have seen, time and again, actors with wonderful characters who could not really breathe life into them. You can see the potential in the character, but the actors aren’t up to it. The exceptional thing about B5 is that the actors are up to the writers’ (this season, JMS) challenge. And that makes incredible theatre, whether on TV or on stage.

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-02 21:39:13 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

BPowell, I am confused. Did your prior message mean you do like what Ms. Furlan does with her character?

Subj: Re:the other silence
Date: 96-05-04 04:42:12 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

The other silent part she played was in Ceremonies, where they did that classic letting -yourself -fall- and-someone-catch-you act.

I was pleased at how well Bruce did that without knocking the phoney knife out of her back. (Notice the heart-thumping background sound) And she looked so spaced out and he looked so great trying to reassure her. Why can’t we clone him; I want my very own copy.
Subj: Delenn and the stream
Date: 96-05-04 16:09:31 EDT
From: REBinAZ
Posted on: America Online

Delenn reminds me of…
a walk in a beautiful canyon, trees all colors and birds singing,
a stream that makes comforting sounds as the water dances over the rocks, the sun
warming your face and inside you feel peaceful and happy…

Ro

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-04 21:42:23 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

YES! I love how Mira Furlan has developed her character. Sorry for the confusion — I can be overly wordy at times!

Subj: Re:Clans?
Date: 96-05-04 23:26:34 EDT
From: FooFight92
Posted on: America Online

The three clans of the Mimbari are the Religous Caste, the Military Caste and the Worker Caste.

Lennier is Delenn’s personal assistant.

I really like Delenn. She’s very emotional and I love that long hair.

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-05 03:10:34 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

What actually is Mira Furlans’s background – I’ve heard some talk about live theater but if so where. Her acting abilities and grace are always evident.

Something I have noticed is that her english while excellent is almost certainly a second language. Subtle hints that are evident to a non native speaker may not be obvious to all but I suspect she is of Central European perhaps even slavic origin. Her charactorization as an alien covers it somewhat on screen. Does anyone know where she actually is from or her background?

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-05 04:15:45 EDT
From: Tremolux
Posted on: America Online

Mira Furlan is from the former Yugoslavia. Anyone know how old she is?

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-05 09:23:59 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Don’t know her age, but I read somewhere that she was trained in live theatre, and then branched over to film. Maybe we can ask her during the AOL online chat May 21 :) !

–barb

Subj: Mira Furlan
Date: 96-05-05 12:58:16 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Ms. Furlan was an award-winning actress (two Golden Arenas-the Yugoslav Oscar) in the former Yugoslavia before she and her husband, director Goran Gajic, were forced to leave the country due to the intolerable political situation. She had starred in many theatre productions, as well as film and television. I have no idea how old she is, and I am not going to ask!
If you really want to know more about her, join her fan club!
The address is:
Mira Furlan Fan Club
PO Box 523093
Springfield, Va. 22152-9998
The dues are $10 a year, $15 overseas. The club is sanctioned by her, and she is a regular contributor to the quarterly newsletter.
Subj: Re:Mira Furlan
Date: 96-05-05 15:46:31 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

The “why not ask her May 21″ was in reference to her theatrical experience/training, NOT her age :)

— barb

Subj: Re:what scares me
Date: 96-05-05 16:39:32 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

I’m reading sections on Sheridan/Delenn, ask JMS, the favorite eps and I’m getting very bad vibes about something that’s going to happen that could really test Delenn and John’s relationship. It’s making me sick and worried. Why does JMS do this tto us?

Subj: Re:what scares me
Date: 96-05-06 17:54:31 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Why does JMS do it? Because he is a great writer, and we have become addicted to his story telling. Besides, you wouldn’t enjoy it if it were the same old cliched space opera…..It is because it is so different and involved that we like it so much!
I just hope he gets a chance to finish what he has started….Are you listening, Warner?
Has everyone written their letters to WB and the local TV stations?
If you haven’t, sign off now and go to your word processing program and write in support of B5!

Subj: Re:silence
Date: 96-05-07 17:50:14 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

I’m sure glad I’m not famous . . . . people discussing your age on a nation-wide online service . . . sheesh.
I want to add that I think Mira Furlan is a terrific actress, just so no one gets the wrong idea.

Subj: Re:what scares me
Date: 96-05-07 22:48:06 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

To EQRIS and everyone on this folder: Look at our latest entry in E.A.S.O.S. for an example of a letter.
And keep em coming in to Warner Brothers and your local stations.

Subj: Mira!
Date: 96-05-08 01:49:11 EDT
From: Minbari1
Posted on: America Online

Just putting in my 2 cents worth (w/inflation, that’s 2 easy payments of $29.95.) I think Mira is a fantastic actress! Saw her in “When Father Was Away On Business” & spotted her right away in “My Antonia.” In the latter, she was in a hovel, face covered in dirt, wearing a ragged dress… her beautiful voice was a dead give away. Her regality shone through the character of the proud immigrant, Mrs. Shimerda. I can’t say enough about her incredible talent.

Speaking of talent… the rest of the B5 ensemble is great too. I miss Michael O’Hare, tho’. Will be nice to see him again. We are fortunate to have been blessed w/a great series, writer(s), actors, and crew. What a treat!

Subj: Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-10 21:53:33 EDT
From: ZETAleader
Posted on: America Online

I think Delenn handled Kosh’s death very well.

Subj: Re:Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-11 03:15:17 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< I think Delenn handled Kosh’s death very well. >>

I think Delenn knows more than she’s telling. Wouldn’t be the first time…

Subj: Re:Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-11 11:17:31 EDT
From: Archer C1
Posted on: America Online

<I think Delenn knows more than she’s telling. Wouldn’t be the first time…>

I have a feeling that if Delenn shared everything she knew, she’d never shut up…

Subj: My last day :(
Date: 96-05-11 14:02:21 EDT
From: ByrneDE
Posted on: America Online

Hello everyone,
I just wanted to say goodbye because I am moving to Pennsylvania and I won’t have a computer there to get on-line and check my favorite forum, this one. I’m going to get a computer there as soon as I can, but I don’t know how long that will be. This is my last day on the computer. Goodbye (me wiping tears from my eyes <G>).

Nisa

Subj: Re:Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-11 20:02:27 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

>>I have a feeling that if Delenn shared everything she knew, she’d never shut up…<<

You got a laugh out of me! I’m starting to refer to anyone with Delenn’s secretiveness as “Doing an Delenn”

Subj: ZETAleader:Re:Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-12 13:24:38 EDT
From: PurpleWiz7
Posted on: America Online

Please watch the time that you post, some of us did not see the Kosh episode before you told us about his death. I’m in Denver and do not see the show until saturday afternoon.

Thanks

PurpleWiz7

Subj: Re:Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-15 20:48:19 EDT
From: LadyPomona
Posted on: America Online

It’s an irreverant thought, perhaps, but an inevitable one as well – if somebody had sicced Jack the Ripper on me, I’d “handle his death quite well” too! In fact, I’d probably be looking a lot more cheerful than Delenn was!
If Delenn readily told all she knew, quite a few other people would be dead by now as well! The safety of the Rangers, not to mention that of people such as Lyta Alexander , depend on her being able to keep quiet. Unfortanately, this “silence equals safety” for those under her protection has (necessarily) become a habit now – and she may not be aware of just how secretive she is.

Subj: Minbari souls
Date: 96-05-20 16:16:55 EDT
From: SimoneNC
Posted on: America Online

This is more of a general thing about Minbari+Humans than just Delenn, but during the Earth-Minbari war, the Minbari stopped because they found Minbari souls in humans, but then could’nt there be human souls in Minbari? After all, a soul is a soul, what’s the difference? Everyone, animal, alien, and human, is equal.

Subj: Re:Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-21 18:28:03 EDT
From: PredatorJi
Posted on: America Online

I have a weird feeling that Kosh ain’t “really” dead….and what happened to Kosh’s ship (I still think they’re one and the same).

Subj: Kosh
Date: 96-05-21 22:35:14 EDT
From: SheltyHart
Posted on: America Online

>I have a weird feeling that Kosh ain’t “really” dead….and what happened to Kosh’s ship (I still think they’re one and the same). <

i’ll put some space in here, for safety, but nothing is really a spoiler.
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jms has said that he really is dead. His ship took a dive into the nearest star (also from jms). We were told in that episodes the Vorlons will send a replacement. jms has said he’ll be called Kosh, but he will be a different vorlon — darker.
Subj: Re:Saying Goodbye
Date: 96-05-21 22:38:26 EDT
From: Tremolux
Posted on: America Online

>>>and what happened to Kosh’s ship (I still think they’re one and the same).

It flew into the nearby star.

Subj: Delenn & WWE
Date: 96-05-25 03:19:44 EDT
From: Archer C1
Posted on: America Online

I used to think “Severed Dreams” was Mira’s best performance as Delenn, but she kicked tail in WWE. Her scenes in “future” were almost heartbreaking to watch. You really got the feeling she had been through hell with Sheridan. Great work.

Subj: Re:Kosh
Date: 96-05-25 12:19:30 EDT
From: WifeAgain
Posted on: America Online

This is not Star Trek. I feel when people (and Kosh was a person) dies, they’re dead…in this existance. Not that they (or he) is truly gone, just gone from this universe. I feel Vorlons are beings of light and energy.

Subj: Re:Delenn & John
Date: 96-05-26 17:58:58 EDT
From: APerez7348
Posted on: America Online

THEY SHOULD BE AN ITEM!!!!

Subj: DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-30 04:53:57 EDT
From: Scully655
Posted on: America Online

How come NOWHERE in here can I find Delenn’s last name? And don’t respond with Furlan.

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-30 15:21:15 EDT
From: Archer C1
Posted on: America Online

Minbari don’t have last names. At least not that they tell us about, anyway… Should be hell for young David down the road when he’s filling out some form and it asks for “Mother’s Maiden Name”

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-31 00:03:16 EDT
From: ShePsych
Posted on: America Online

<<Minbari don’t have last names. At least not that they tell us about, anyway… >>

I’ve pondered the same question. Most of the Minbari we’ve seen do seem to have only one name, but at least one character, Delenn’s poet friend who was attacked by the anti-alien group in the first season, had two names. I’m not certain, but I think the ep. was “The War Prayer.” It doesn’t really make since for people to have only one name, unless they’re part of such a small group that everyone knows everyone else and no further identification is necessary. Even if the Minbari population has been declining for a thousand years, surely there are stilll too many of them for each individual to have a single, unique name. Perhaps they do have other names, but don’t share them readily with outsiders. Many cultures believe that someone who knows your “true” name has some sort of power over you. Presumably the Minbari are too advanced for that, but there could be some other reason.

Maybe Delenn’s so famous among the Minbari that she doesn’t need a last name, like Madonna, or Cher.

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-31 01:21:30 EDT
From: Badinov
Posted on: America Online

>>Maybe Delenn’s so famous among the Minbari that she doesn’t need a last name, like Madonna, or Cher<<

Heh heh heh, I can’t wait to see Delenn with tattoos and a missile-tit* bustier.

8-}…..
Badinov
* I’m told that this is a technical term

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-31 01:37:22 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

Could it also be possible that Delenn is more than one name in itself ?

By the way what is the average life span for a Membari?
Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-31 16:50:46 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

As far as I know, Minbari have only one name, and are further identified by their cast and clan. The average lifespan for a Minbari is about 200 years, give or take 25. Delenn’s lifespan is presumably somewhat shorter, now that she is half human (though I have to wonder if the extended lifespan of most of the other races has do to genetics and evolution, or improved living conditions and medicine? After all, people live about twice as long as they did 500 years ago, but this has more to do with the reduced chances of dying of the flu, being eaten by some large animal, dying in childbirth, being killed in one of the fifty zillion small wars that were occurring constantly, ect, then it does with actual evolution of the human species. Just a thought.)

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-31 18:57:40 EDT
From: SimoneNC
Posted on: America Online

I don’t think that she HAS a last name. I can’t find it, either.

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-05-31 21:34:57 EDT
From: SallyS5000
Posted on: America Online

That’s easy…Mrs. Sheridan!

Subj: Re:DELENN’S AGE
Date: 96-06-03 21:17:20 EDT
From: DrgnPrncs
Posted on: America Online

JMS has said that Delenn is already approximately 70 Minbari years old. But her lifespan will be decreased dramatically now that she’s part human.

Subj: Fav Delenn moment
Date: 96-06-05 00:23:59 EDT
From: RINKLFREE
Posted on: America Online

My absolute favorite moment:

Delenn sais to Earthforce fleet, “There is only one Human captain who has survived a Mimbari attack.
He is behind me.
You are in front of me.
If you value your lives, BE SOMEWHERE WLSE!!!!!!!!!”

I tell you, It was enough to make me want to be somewhere else if I wasn’t glued to the tv. Awesome line. Too bad you cannot use it anywhere.
TRICIA
Subj: Re:Fav Delenn moment
Date: 96-06-05 18:57:27 EDT
From: MARNVOTE 1
Posted on: America Online

I agree I think that was one of the best lines in the show. It came at just the right time too. (Could be the script :-))

It ranks up there with Vir saying to Morden “Outside of dropping dead, there is nothing you can do for me.”

Subj: Re:Fav Delenn moment
Date: 96-06-05 22:04:44 EDT
From: PICABALALA
Posted on: America Online

I agree. The greatest Delenn line to date. As Sheridan said it was the single best moment of his life, and one of the best moments in the show.

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-06-06 05:59:58 EDT
From: SarahACnnr
Posted on: America Online

Maybe the forms you have to fill out on minbar ask for name, caste and clan, and that narrows things down a bit.

Subj: Re:Fav Delenn moment
Date: 96-06-06 06:09:25 EDT
From: SarahACnnr
Posted on: America Online

<<<If you value your lives, BE SOMEWHERE WLSE!!!!!!!!!” …..Too bad you cannot use it anywhere.>>>

I’m with you Trica wrnklfr, great scene, great line, great delivery — True you can’t use it anywhere, though I did put some ice cream in the freezer that said “if you value your lives, don’t eat this.” — one of my housemates got it.

And my screensaver at work says “Why not?” from earlier in the same scene.

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-06-06 21:17:42 EDT
From: ZETAleader
Posted on: America Online

In Points of Departure one Minbari referred to her as Satai Delenn

Subj: Re:DELENN’S LAST NAME
Date: 96-06-07 13:25:30 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Satai is a title, given to Grey Council Members. She hasn’t been part of the grey council since All Alone in the Night, I believe (when sheridan was captured by the Streibes)

Barrie
Subj: Minbari Names/Ages
Date: 96-06-13 11:59:08 EDT
From: Minbari1
Posted on: America Online

In “The War Prayer” Delenn’s friend is named Mayan. Her title (ie – Delenn’s is Satai) is Shal. No doubt having to do w/the fact that she is a poet ( or something like that).

So if Delenn is around 70 yrs. old, that means that Lennier (at least 111 yrs old. – in 1 episode he said, “In my eleventy-first year…”) is an older man who loves a younger woman. The top it off w/the fact he seems to treat Delenn as the older of the 2 of them (perhaps just a sign of respect.) Hmmm… makes you think, eh?

Subj: Re:Minbari Names/Ages
Date: 96-06-13 17:26:12 EDT
From: Fafayin
Posted on: America Online

Re Lennier’s age, JMS has stated that the Minbari are on the base 11 system, so that counting would go “one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Eleventy-one, eleventy-two, eleventy-three, etc. This translates Lennier’s statement of “In my eleventy-first year” into “In my twelfth year”. My guess is that Lennier is *much* younger than Delenn.

Lynn

Subj: Re:Minbari Names/Ages
Date: 96-06-17 13:26:29 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

I don’t think eleventy-first means one hundred and eleven. Minbari have a number system based on eleven, and I’m not sure how that would work out.
Anyway, JMS said somewhere, I don’t remember where, that Lennier is the equivalent of and eighteen-year-old. Seventy (using human counting system) equates to about thirty-five, maybe a little younger.

Subj: Delenn
Date: 96-07-14 19:51:52 EDT
From: SimoneNC
Posted on: America Online

Is Delenn now just a Minbari with hair or has her biology actually been altered?

SimoneNC

Subj: Re:Delenn
Date: 96-07-14 21:21:20 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

>>Is Delenn now just a Minbari with hair or has her biology actually been altered?>>

altered. See epsiodes Revelations, Acts of Sacrifice
JMS says her genetic structure is 60/40 (human/Minbari)

Subj: So far/Fan Club/Convention
Date: 96-07-18 23:14:56 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

Okay, having finally found access to a decent pc, I came and checked out the AOL B5 area…
…interesting!

I am a member of the Mira Furlan Fan Club. I would like to say that Eqris is doing a smashing job. By the time some fans were getting their first packages from the B5 official fan club, we already had two newsletters and photos! There is also now a homepage for the fan club (pardon, I don’t have the address, but it’s there). It’s a fun club, and I reccommend it!

In case you have not heard, Mira Furlan will be a guest at a Creation Con in Valley Forge PA August 24-25th. This has not been the best publicized event, possibly because it’s primarily a Trek Con (ironic, that). Mira will be the only guest there both days! If you missed her in the UK and can’t get to other big cons, this would be a great on to attend. A chunk of her fan club will be showing up (myself included) to support our favorite actress, and I encourage eveyone who can to attend! It’ll be a blast!
Creation Entertainment: 818-409-0960 etx. 224
(if for some reason you can’t get through, email me and I will send basic info…I don’t work for Creation but if I keep this up I’ll expect a bonus!)

<*> boo

Subj: Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-21 01:08:43 EDT
From: ACME BUYER
Posted on: America Online

Is that accent Delenn’s or Mira Furlann (sp?) ‘s? If it’s her real accent, where’s it from? Money stands to change hands here.

Al

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-21 01:31:01 EDT
From: LLarson10
Posted on: America Online

The accent you hear Delenn speaking with belongs very much to Mira, who is from the country we used to know as Yugoslavia.

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-21 02:38:27 EDT
From: ACME BUYER
Posted on: America Online

HA! Thank you.
Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-21 19:59:37 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

RE: Delenn’s accent

To be more specific, it is mostly hers (Mira Furlan’s), but she says it is a mix of “herself and other methods, as is usual in acting” (pardon, I think I got this right). If you hear her speak outside of an acting role, you notice a slight difference in depth and inflection in her voice, enough so she doesn’t sound like Delenn. The most recent time you could hear her was on SciFi Buzz on the Sci Fi Channel; maybe later this year they might rerun the interview???
Also, to be more specific, Mira Furlan is from the city of Zagreb, which is currently in the area called Croatia, formerly Yugoslavia. Her native language is Serbo-Croatian. I only mention this because in the former Yugoslavia, a handfull of different languages were spoken. She also studied languages as well as drama in college, and is an accomplished linguist in at least five languages.

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-21 20:00:36 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

PS: I still think you won the bet. I’ve heard too many people say they thought she was from the US or England, and she puts the whole thing on. Not true!

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-21 23:32:48 EDT
From: ACME BUYER
Posted on: America Online

If she’s Croatian, can we expect Toni Kukoc in a guest role?

Al

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-22 22:50:26 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

FIVE languages ! oy vey! that woman gets more impressive every day!!!!!!!! we should adopt her.

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-22 23:04:51 EDT
From: KaylieWlkr
Posted on: America Online

>> we should adopt her.<<

I second THAT emotion! 😀

Kimberley
Subj: Her Pilgrim Soul
Date: 96-07-22 23:10:56 EDT
From: KaylieWlkr
Posted on: America Online

I FINALLY got to see War Without End, pt. 2 and discovered what all the shouting was about. An incredible episode. A scene my friend Carol and I have watched over and over again is the one with J&D in his cell. The depth of emotion in Delenn’s face was astonishing! FWIW, I think Mira’s much too good for TV (and ain’t we blessed to have her)… but that’s another set of musings…

At any rate, the older Delenn’s face in that scene made me think of that poem, the title of which is the subject of this post. I can’t remember the words, just the gist of the thing, but what I remember fit that scene and that woman, *perfectly*. I also don’t remember the poet (was it Yeats?). If anyone can post it for me, I would be so very appreciative. I’d like to see if my memory of the poem serves.

Thanks in advance.

Kimberley
Subj: Re:Her Early Temple Experience
Date: 96-07-23 08:02:08 EDT
From: Zembala
Posted on: America Online

I have noticed that there seems to be a general feeling that the entity that talked to Delenn in the temple when she was a child (Confessions & Lamentations) was Valen. I have always thought that it was Kosh (in the guise of Valori (sp?) the Minbari angel we see in Fall of Night), and that this is one reason that Delenn follows Kosh’s lead so unquestioningly. Remember the scene in Chrysalis where she goes to see Kosh and wants to see his “real” face ? This might also be why she is hiding whatever knowledge she has about the Vorlons & their true motivations. What do you all think? (And can you tell I’ve been obsessively re-watching tapes? This summer is toooo long!)

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, please.
Date: 96-07-23 11:07:49 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

Anytime she wants to become a citizen here she has our full support-for her courage, for her ability, for her beauty as a human being. Celt56

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, -Celt56
Date: 96-07-23 11:49:12 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

<<Anytime she wants to become a citizen here she has our full support-for her courage, for her ability, for her beauty as a human being. Celt56>>

Second the motion but it has to be her choice, assuming she hasn’t already made it. I’ve known several refugees who once the political situation in their homeland settled wanted to help them rebuild. Ms. Furlan is an excellent actress, her stage training is a major asset to the series The best example I can cite was Comes the Inquisitor with it’s sparse sets. Both she and Wayne Alexander carried it off beautifully. She is highly intelligent, has marketable skills and is willing to work – as far as I’m concerned she is most welcome here.

Whoever’s loss her presence here and on the show is our gain, I would hope that someday the sitution in Yugoslavia, (Croatia) settles for many reasons. When that day comes I hope the show can be dubbed and rebroadcast in Croatian so that her native countrymen may once again enjoy her talents. I would nominate her as well to assist in the project.

Subj: One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-23 18:40:12 EDT
From: CajunFalc
Posted on: America Online

To those who may not have stumbled upon this yet, I’d like to mention something I found in one of Mira’s Web pages (http://www.hookup.net/~bjust/b5) under the “Articles” Section.

It is the text of a statement that Mira and her husband wrote for the playbill of their production of “Antigone” in LA last year. It is a most powerful and profound statement, and speaks volumes as to the character and compassion of one terrific actress

Catherine

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-23 22:22:00 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

The web site at http://www.hookup.net/~bjust/B5/ is one of the best Mira Furlan sites out there. (I believe there is a total of 4 or 5….)
In regard to Antigone, Ms. Furlan won a Dramalogue Theatre award for Best Actress, and her husband, Goran Gajic, won a Dramalogue for Best Director. Antigone also won a Best Production award….
We are indeed very lucky to have her here! I had the pleasure of meeting her in person once, and she really is very special! If you get a chance to see her at a con, go! (Hint…she is scheduled to appear in Blackpool, England in July 97, and in Ireland July 97 also. Save your money and go! What a great vacation! I’ll be in Blackpool, if you want to meet!)

I believe the B5 cast to be one of the best on TV, but Mira Furlan is tops in my book… Does anyone else agree? Post your comments…..

Subj: Re:Settle a bet, -Celt56
Date: 96-07-24 01:38:35 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

This is as good a place as any to pass on some information….

There is a 99% probability Mira Furlan is staying in the US. She had been thinking of coming here before things got bad in the former Yugoslavia (she is always careful to call the country just that, not Croatia), then life became unbearable for her, so she and her husband left in a hurry.

Ms. Furlan is in the process of having “the letter” posted on web pages everywhere. This is something she wants to do; I understand she is writing an introduction to the letter to set it up for those not very well informed about her experience. Allow a few weeks, then look these up at:
http://www.hookup.net/~bjust/B5/
I don’t know if the letter will be available by ftp for the web-impaired; I’ll ask and let everyone know. I would guess it might land at hyperion’s ftp folders.
Please do not reprint or repost the letter without Ms. Furlan’s permission (it will probably be copyrighted under her and her husband’s imprint); however, if you would like to use it, contact her and she will probably work something out with you.
*
By the way, the above listed web pages are the _very best_ there are about Mira Furlan, maintained by a talented young lady named Brigitte Just in Canada. You will find tons of articles, Ms. Furlan’s resume (a partial list of her works took THREE pages to print!), wonderful photos, and many exclusives. Also there are links, information on Mira Furlan’s fan club, B5 series information, a sound page and more. If you want to know everything there is to know about Mira Furlan, this is the place to look. For a long time it was impossible to find anything about this talented actress, so this site is a treat!

No, I don’t work for Brigitte… :) …I just love the site.

Enjoy,
<*> Boo

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-24 01:45:00 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

She is a great lady indeed. I am impressed by the fact that, after all she has been through, she is working, successful. She is made of stronger stuff than me. When I hear other actresses make petty complaints about the color of the toilet seat in their trailer, or refusing to stay in a hotel without fresh flowers, or throwing a tantrum because they were provided with the wrong brand of bottled water…then I compare them to Mira Furlan, enduring personal threats, political pressure and WAR on her doorstep, and STILL working…she makes me proud. She always has a smile for the camera, always has wonderful words for her sci fi fans. I would like my neices to grow up to be like her…I wish I was half the woman she is.
<*> Boo

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-24 19:50:55 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Well said, Boo, but I know what YOU think about her! <g>
I want to hear what the other fans have to say about her!

Ya never know what might find it’s way into the mail…..

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-25 12:50:18 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

I have to agree with everything that’s been said about her here. She has said at conventions that she’s planning to get a US citizenship; if my understanding of the process is correct, since she came here in November of 1991 she will be eligible for it this November. For selfish reasons, I’m glad we get her now, though I wish her reasons for coming here could have been more pleasant.

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-26 16:45:41 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

Hi Eqris!
So shoot me, I’m biased!
I get the feeling Mira Furlan fans are the most timid fans in the world.
Please prove me wrong.
<*> Boo

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-27 03:36:24 EDT
From: MjrKiraA
Posted on: America Online

Who you calling timid? We are not timid we just have a differant way of doing things, like a Minbai.

alissa

Subj: Timid ??
Date: 96-07-27 08:51:17 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

<<So shoot me, I’m biased!
I get the feeling Mira Furlan fans are the most timid fans in the world.
Please prove me wrong.
<*> Boo>>

She had command of the rangers prior to ceding part of it to Sheridan. And why was it she had to turn over access to the white star? She had the power in her woice and words to override and perhaps even disolve the grey council. Courage to face down an earth force fleet in defense of her friend and her ideals.

Delenn is or seems to have been the only major charactor in close with Kosh. She seems to know a heck of a lot about whats coming, the capabilities of the great machine etc. As I’ve previously posted I got the impression that she herself is telepathic on some level. The Mimbari venerate their telepaths not isolate them into psi corps and take away most of their rights. (those who don’t join seem to lose all of them and if they’re really unlucky their lives.) That psi corps badge could just as easilly be a yellow star or pink triangle. The equivalent of yelling out -unclean.

I get the impression she knows a lot more than she is telling, the key to that was her statement buying the newspaper – all I needed to know and no more. Some of her knowledge will a have a great influence on the course of the war -either by revealing it as in the case of WWE1&2 where the hijacking of Babylon 4 was necessary to the survival of the Mimbari. Or by withholding it as in the case of the Narn homeworld.

I have to wonder just how pure some of her and Mimbari motives are towards the younger races – earth alliance and humans in particular. Are we being suckered into a fight (rematch) between them, the vorlons and the shadows.

Timid – not Delenn, the actress or her fans. Perhaps it’s merely our polite Mimbari souls shining thru the cyber darkness.

 

Subj: Re:Timid ??
Date: 96-07-27 13:11:05 EDT
From: KaylieWlkr
Posted on: America Online

Uh, that’s Mi*n*bari. There’s only one “m” in the word.

Sorry to be so picky, but seeing “Mimbari” (especially in the Delenn folder) drives me nuts.

Kimberley
Subj: I (heart) Delenn
Date: 96-07-27 13:12:45 EDT
From: KaylieWlkr
Posted on: America Online

Anyone interested in a button that says the above, please e-mail me.
Kimberley
aka
KaylieWlkr

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-27 22:13:16 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Yep, this is One Great Lady!

that’s a big decision to stay, as choosing to leave one’s country under the best of circumstances isn’t easy and under the worst, probably *worst*!

if she decides to stay with us, well, whether or not she does, she has my full support and I’ll see anything she’s in. I want her to become recognized as the world class actress she is. She belongs to the world and I’d like her to get gobs of Oscars (if she’d like any).

 

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-28 19:11:33 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I agree with you BARRIEJ, seeing her with lots of Oscars would be great!

So, what about everyone else? What do you all think of Mira Furlan, as an actress and as a person?

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-28 20:55:07 EDT
From: PICABALALA
Posted on: America Online

I agree with both. As an actress, I was impressed with a message I read from JMS. Question to him re: scene between Delenn & Sheridan in War Room, he was lamenting over what the Shadows were after, Delenn looked as if she was going to say something but didn’t. Questioning person asked if there was something to it, or did she imagine the look. JMS responded that script directions called for Delenn to Look as if she was going to say something but held back. Great Acting if just a look was noticed by a viewer and made her read into the plot just as JMS wanted.

Personally, from what I’ve read here, she seems a person who has over come alot. Has passion and heart and strength, like Delenn. I hope she is as admirable in real life as her character is. I’m a die hard fan now.

Subj: Got ya to come out & play 😀
Date: 96-07-29 00:47:46 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

>Timid – not Delenn, the actress or her fans. Perhaps it’s merely our polite Mimbari souls shining thru the cyber darkness. <

Actually, I was only referring to her fans. Delenn is demure, but no way timid. She is far too frank for that!

I was trying to rile y’all up. On the newsgroups I noticed taht many of Mira Furlan’s fans are quiet until someone dares to insult her or question her talent. I am not the only person to notice this. See, you all DID come and play, and I am glad! :)

Join her fan club: for info, eqris@aol.com

<*> Boo
Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-29 00:53:29 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

> Great Acting if just a look was noticed by a viewer and made her read into the plot just as JMS wanted.<

I am always puzzled when people say they don’t get that scene. I understood it right away. I’ve seen that look before, on ex-boyfriends’ faces, on my boss, on my mom. I almost wanted to shake Delenn and shout, “What? You know something, spill it!”

Have you seen one of her earlier works, “When Father Was Away on Business?” Quite a different character, excellent acting. She won awards for this film, and she has won tons more for all her previous work. I am awaiting her first American awards…
<*> Boo

 

Subj: Re:Got ya to come out & play :
Date: 96-07-29 13:51:30 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

so what do we do? shout

YAAYYY MIRA!
(and I mean it! ) I rave about her to anyone who will listen.

does that count?

Subj: Scene
Date: 96-07-29 13:52:48 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

>>> Great Acting if just a look was noticed by a viewer and made her read into the plot just as JMS wanted.<

I am always puzzled when people say they don’t get that scene. I understood it right away. I’ve seen that look before, on ex-boyfriends’ faces, on my boss, on my mom. I almost wanted to shake Delenn and shout, “What? You know something, spill it!”>>

that’s what I thought and I didn’t see why John didn’t see that. He’s known her awhile, and ought to recognize that LOOK by now!

sometimes men can be dumb.

Subj: Re:Oscar nominations
Date: 96-07-29 15:57:55 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

It still disturbs me that Mira Furlan was not nominated for her performance in “Comes the Inquisitor.” NOT FAIR! (Yes, I’m SHOUTING!)

There is a prejudice against sci-fi at work here, methinks. And the really sad part is that, as we’ve noted in many of these message folders, B5 is akin to Star Wars, LotR, and other allegorical-type good/evil, light/darkness creations — and its medium is equally novel (e.g., it isn’t a book or a movie, it’s a tv series). It’s the kind of once-in-a-lifetime/start a new genre/watershed moment creations that people ought to applaud.

Many of the actors should have been nominated for Emmys by now — certainly all of the leads. But especially someone of the caliber of actor represented by Mira Furlan. It’s an outrage.

my 2 cents

— barb

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-29 16:00:32 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

I’ve noticed that great acting many times — in looks to John, to Ivanova, in small gestures that tell volumes. The woman is a deep and consummate artist. And, judging by what she has written to us in the AOL session, she is a deep and sensitive human being as well. (which figures — you can’t be a truly great actor if you’re not a sensitive human being)

more of my 2 cents :)

— barb

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-29 16:02:44 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

>>I am always puzzled when people say they don’t get that scene. I understood it right away. I’ve seen that look before, on ex-boyfriends’ faces, on my boss, on my mom. I almost wanted to shake Delenn and shout, “What? You know something, spill it!”<<

And I could see in John’s face a “should I ask her?” look. And then he changed the path of the conversation. (interesting, he already knows her well enough to know that he wasn’t going to pry it out of her!)

They held the awkward silence only an instant, but it was perfect timing.

— barb

Subj: Re: Scene
Date: 96-07-29 16:42:47 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

<<that’s what I thought and I didn’t see why John didn’t see that. He’s known her awhile, and ought to recognize that LOOK by now!

sometimes men can be dumb.>>
I have to agree (though sometime women can be dumb too – none of us is perfect.), but really, I think John didn’t see that because he was exhausted and worried and totally stressed out. You tend to miss a lot when you’ve had about two hours of sleep in the past week (trust me, I know.) It also seemed to me that this was a rather one-sided converstion – you know, one of those where you could hang up the phone and the other person wouldn’t notice for a full ten minutes? – John was feeling frustrated and even a little guilty, and he wanted someone to talk to (or at, depending on how you see it) He wasn’t paying much attention to her. (I’m not trying to badmouth him, everybody has bad days) Maybe I’ve got this wrong, but that’s how it came across to me.

Subj: Re:Oscar nominations
Date: 96-07-29 18:52:50 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

<<Many of the actors should have been nominated for Emmys by now — certainly all of the leads. But especially someone of the caliber of actor represented by Mira Furlan. It’s an outrage.

my 2 cents

— barb>>
Her talent is on a par with Hollywood’s all time greats, IMHO – Ingrid Bergman, Elizabeth Taylor, Joan Crawford, Susan Hayward and I would hope that she recieves proper recognition from her peers. They unfortunately don’t give oscars for TV series but an Emmy or whatever else is available. I also hope she and Claudia Christian either are or become good friends because she has the same potential. I feel that Ms Furlan would make an excellent mentor for her.

See your two cents and raise ya a nickle.

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-29 16:02:44 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

>>I am always puzzled when people say they don’t get that scene. I understood it right away. I’ve seen that look before, on ex-boyfriends’ faces, on my boss, on my mom. I almost wanted to shake Delenn and shout, “What? You know something, spill it!”<<

And I could see in John’s face a “should I ask her?” look. And then he changed the path of the conversation. (interesting, he already knows her well enough to know that he wasn’t going to pry it out of her!)

They held the awkward silence only an instant, but it was perfect timing.

— barb

Subj: Re: Scene
Date: 96-07-29 16:42:47 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

<<that’s what I thought and I didn’t see why John didn’t see that. He’s known her awhile, and ought to recognize that LOOK by now!

sometimes men can be dumb.>>
I have to agree (though sometime women can be dumb too – none of us is perfect.), but really, I think John didn’t see that because he was exhausted and worried and totally stressed out. You tend to miss a lot when you’ve had about two hours of sleep in the past week (trust me, I know.) It also seemed to me that this was a rather one-sided converstion – you know, one of those where you could hang up the phone and the other person wouldn’t notice for a full ten minutes? – John was feeling frustrated and even a little guilty, and he wanted someone to talk to (or at, depending on how you see it) He wasn’t paying much attention to her. (I’m not trying to badmouth him, everybody has bad days) Maybe I’ve got this wrong, but that’s how it came across to me.

Subj: Re:Oscar nominations
Date: 96-07-29 18:52:50 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

<<Many of the actors should have been nominated for Emmys by now — certainly all of the leads. But especially someone of the caliber of actor represented by Mira Furlan. It’s an outrage.

my 2 cents

— barb>>
Her talent is on a par with Hollywood’s all time greats, IMHO – Ingrid Bergman, Elizabeth Taylor, Joan Crawford, Susan Hayward and I would hope that she recieves proper recognition from her peers. They unfortunately don’t give oscars for TV series but an Emmy or whatever else is available. I also hope she and Claudia Christian either are or become good friends because she has the same potential. I feel that Ms Furlan would make an excellent mentor for her.

See your two cents and raise ya a nickle.

Subj: Re:Got ya to come out & play
Date: 96-07-30 01:08:15 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

>YAAYYY MIRA! (and I mean it! ) I rave about her to anyone who will listen.
does that count?<

LOL
Enough for ten-thousand Whos, down in Whoville!

<*> boo
Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-30 01:10:00 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

Barb,
>more of my 2 cents :) <
Keep up the pennies. Mira will become a wealthy woman!
😀
Love your posts!
<*> Boo

Subj: Re: Scene
Date: 96-07-30 01:11:20 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

> It also seemed to me that this was a rather one-sided converstion – you know, one of those where you could hang up the phone and the other person wouldn’t notice for a full ten minutes? – John was feeling frustrated and even a little guilty, and he wanted someone to talk to (or at, depending on how you see it) He wasn’t paying much attention to her. (I’m not trying to badmouth him, everybody has bad days) Maybe I’ve got this wrong, but that’s how it came across to me. <

I think it’s called “venting.”

<*> Boo

Subj: Re:Oscar nom’s/Drifter
Date: 96-07-30 01:15:29 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

<I also hope she and Claudia Christian either are or become good friends because she has the same potential. I feel that Ms Furlan would make an excellent mentor for her.>

Interesting you should say this!

I read in a review of “For the Kids Con” that Claudia Christian said that, although everyone on B5 was “great,” Mira Furlan was probably her best friend on the set. It’s interesting since they are such widely different women. I am not sure CC needs a mentor, per se: she holds her own. But you always learn from your coworkers; its a give and take thing. I am sure they learn from each other. Maybe CC explained fandom to her!

<*> Boo

Subj: 5 & 10 cents: Valley Forge!
Date: 96-07-30 01:19:14 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

Sorry to bring this up again, but we are trying to get a big crown for the One Who Is at the Valley Forge convention, August 24/25th, Valley Forge PA. For information, email me and I will send you a file. This con could use a little better promotion…when Mira Furlan looks into that audience, she should see fans as far as she can squint!

<*> Boo
pennies from heavan, or the five and dime?

Subj: Crowns 4 Mira, laughs 4 us!
Date: 96-07-30 19:05:28 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

>Sorry to bring this up again, but we are trying to get a big *crown* for the One Who Is at the Valley Forge convention, August 24/25th, Valley Forge PA. <

Thanks to the fan who pointed the error out to me. 😀 LOL, still laughing!

In as much as we would love to put a _crown_ on Ms. Furlan’s head for her acheivments, a more realistic goal is to have a _CROWD_ waiting for her in Valley Forge!

I need new hands…

Anyone that wants Valley Forge Convention infromation, please email me!
Anyone else that wants to be elevated to royalty, just hang around here. I’m bound to make more typos soon!
<*> Boo

Subj: Re:Oscar nominations
Date: 96-07-30 21:19:48 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

>>Her talent is on a par with Hollywood’s all time greats, IMHO – Ingrid Bergman, Elizabeth Taylor, Joan Crawford, Susan Hayward and I would hope that she recieves proper recognition from her peers. They unfortunately don’t give oscars for TV series but an Emmy or whatever else is available. I also hope she and Claudia Christian either are or become good friends because she has the same potential. I feel that Ms Furlan would make an excellent mentor for her.<<

Yes, and Yes!

Not to mention all time greats on Broadway. She deserves Emmys, Oscars and Tonys, if you ask me. Hopefully, she’ll get the opportunity to work — and win — in all three venues!

I would also put Glenn Close, Meryl Streep and similar current actors on that list of all time greats. Mira Furlan is definitely among them. And I agree with your views on Claudia Christian. Amazing ability . Amazing potential. Wouldn’t you love to see the two of them do a two-woman show of some sort? It would be AWESOME.

I’ll see your nickel, and raise you a dime :)

— barb

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-30 21:22:15 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Thanks, Boo :)

As long as Mira keeps acting up a storm (and I don’t see that ending), my rather verbal support will keeping coming!

I’d love to see her in a play sometime — live, in a theatre, I mean.

— barb

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-30 21:56:30 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Calling all Mira fans….
I will be attending the con in Valley Forge, Pa. along with Jackie and others. If you are free that weekend, c’mon over and cheer for Mira! I think she is the only B5 member amongst all the Trek cast.

See you there!
Cristina
<*>

Subj: Re:One Great Lady
Date: 96-07-31 02:57:02 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

although I live in LA, I haven’t yet found out where or if she and Goran are doing another theatrical performance this summer like they did last year. if so, I’d go! can anyone help this lost Angeleno out?

thanks!

Subj: Re:Oscar nominations
Date: 96-07-31 03:02:30 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

>I would also put Glenn Close, Meryl Streep and similar current actors on that list of all time greats. Mira Furlan is definitely among them.

Barb, you did it again! Nail smacked squarely on the head. Mira Furlan is often referred to as “the Meryl Streep of Yugoslavia!” This is, in fact, a nickname she had before she ever came to the US. Have you checked out her resume? WOW…

Of course, now she is _ours._

Chipping in only pennies <*> Boo

Subj: Re:Theator
Date: 96-07-31 03:07:12 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

>although I live in LA, I haven’t yet found out where or if she and Goran are doing another >theatrical performance this summer like they did last year. if so, I’d go! can anyone help this >lost Angeleno out?

Someone will ask her at Fantasticon, and someone will ask her at Valley Forge. This is a hint, everyone…Mira adores, loves, is THRILLED to talk about her stage projects! Wanna see her eyes light up? Ask her about her current stage plans. Even if she has none, I bet she’ll bubble over because you are interested. And we certainly are!

Someone blow her a kiss for me in LA? I’ll send one along on the East Coast!
<*>< Boo

Subj: Re:Oscar nominations
Date: 96-07-31 14:29:20 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

>> Mira Furlan is often referred to as “the Meryl Streep of Yugoslavia!” This is, in fact, a nickname she had before she ever came to the US. Have you checked out her resume? WOW…

Of course, now she is _ours._<<

I had heard that nickname in reference to her. No wonder. And, yes, her resume is mighty! For those of you who have not yet looked over Mira Furlan’s resume, I believe you can find it on one of her web sites.

I just hope the theatre community in this country realizes how lucky it is to have such a gifted artist among its ranks.

Just moved, so I’m BROKE — do you accept credit cards? 😉
— barb
Subj: Re:Theator
Date: 96-08-01 00:59:41 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

if someone does ask her, tell me what she says!

obviously she loves theater, well heck, that’s where she got her training.

Subj: Re:Theater
Date: 96-08-01 23:32:51 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Heck, if someone asks her, please post it here so we can all read it :)

— barb

Subj: Delenn’s word choice
Date: 96-08-02 21:17:21 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

In rewatching some season 2 episodes, I noticed that Delenn keeps referring to “taking on human characteristics,” not becoming half human or human-like. I wonder if she’s had any inner struggle/coming to terms processing about the human emotions (especially) that she now has. It’ll be interesting to see if she changes how she refers to herself in the coming episodes.

— barb

Subj: Re:Delenn’s word choice
Date: 96-08-02 23:02:18 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

which episodes?

 

Subj: Emmy Nom for CTI
Date: 96-08-03 00:43:16 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

You all probably know this, but the episode “Comes The Inquisitor” has been nominated for an Emmy for Cinematography. B5 keeps excellent company with other nominees: “ER,” “Chicago Hope,” “Murder One,” and “The X Files.”

“Comes The Inquisitor” of course is a superb Delenn/Mira Furlan episode. I am hoping that during the show they show a clip (not the “G’kar” part), to give MF a little more exposure. This award will probably not be included in the awards TV show, though…anyway, I am pleased that judges in Hollywood are watching and rewatching this episode, because then they get a good look at a fine character protrayed by a very talented lady.
<*> Boo

Subj: Re:Delenn’s word choice
Date: 96-08-03 10:52:02 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Oh, Sure, Barrie, ask me to be specific 😉

I feel a bit dwarfed now that I know the great minds that are out there (you and Martha) really exploring this question!

I know for sure that in the Delenn invites John to dinner scene (the restaurant episode), she says that. Also, in the infamous hair scene, she tells Susan “I took on human characteristics…” There may be one or two other places, too, but I’ll have to check the tapes to see.

However, from reading some very wise words on the topic ;-), I can see that the episodes I’m thinking of were very soon after the “change.” So perhaps her thinking has changed — And that, like most humans, Delenn isn’t saying a whole lot — because after all, once a person gets used to something, they don’t talk about it much.

— barb

Subj: Re:Emmy Nom for CTI
Date: 96-08-03 11:14:49 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online
>>I am pleased that judges in Hollywood are watching and rewatching this episode, because then they get a good look at a fine character protrayed by a very talented lady.>>

AMEN!

Subj: Re:Emmy Nom for CTI
Date: 96-08-03 16:10:47 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

>>>I am pleased that judges in Hollywood are watching and rewatching this episode, because then they get a good look at a fine character protrayed by a very talented lady.>>

>AMEN!
Just to add: a funny story. I sent a tape of Mira Furlan on something or the other to a friend in Canada, in an area where they don’t get reception. At this point in time, Canadian customs tear things apart looking for drugs, contraband, pornography (and undoubtedly explosives, after this past month). My freind and I joke about the customs officials sitting with theri feet up, reading our letters and magazines, watching our tapes (no offense to postal and customs workers: we know you don’t do this). I wrote this note inside the package: “Dear customs official: this is a tape of the wonderful actress Mira Furlan. Please feel free to look at it, as she could always use more fans. Watch Babylon 5!”

My friend loved every word of it. She did not mention whether customs had opened the package….

<*> Boo
want an ASCII jumpgate <*> patch? email me for info…

Subj: Re:Emmy Nom for CTI
Date: 96-08-04 13:28:00 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

And maybe they’ll see the error in their ways and realize that Mira should have been nominated for an emmy for her performance!

— barb

Subj: speaking of awards
Date: 96-08-04 21:14:27 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

I noticed a ballot for SF Universe awards in the latest issue. A couple of things really peeved me:

1. Mira Furlan and Claudia Christian are in the same category (best SUPPORTING actress), and you can only choose one.

2. The category is not best actress!

3. Wayne (can’t remember his last name), who played Sebastian, wasn’t nominated for best guest appearance (at least Walter Koenig was, so that’s good).

There were a few other things I didn’t like about the ballot (like no mention of Garibaldi and Franklin), but those were the main ones.

— barb

Subj: Re:speaking of awards
Date: 96-08-04 22:47:20 EDT
From: JJordnRoss
Posted on: America Online

>I noticed a ballot for SF Universe awards in the latest issue. A couple of things really peeved me:

Missed this. Is this on the net anywhere?

<*> boo

Subj: Re:speaking of awards
Date: 96-08-04 23:27:44 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

<< 1. Mira Furlan and Claudia Christian are in the same category (best SUPPORTING actress), and you can only choose one.>>

One comment only – SACRILEDGE !!

Subj: Re:speaking of awards
Date: 96-08-05 09:33:22 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Don’t know if it’s online — I think the issue is pretty new (a different one was on the magazine rack just last week).

— barb

Subj: Re:Emmy Nom for CTI
Date: 96-08-05 21:03:46 EDT
From: METonkin
Posted on: America Online

The Television Academy very carefully ignores syndicated shows when it comes to the
“big” awards, same goes for sci fi, at least that’s the way it’s been since Lindsay Wagner
won a best actress award for “Bionic Woman”(the “Bionic Woman” ???!!) They also tend to be prejudiced towards American over non-American actors, unless it’s a really, really big name, i.e.,
Laurence Olivier or Vanessa Redgrave. I’ll never forgot how Richard Crenna(I think it was) won
a best dramatic actor award instead of Derek Jacobi for “I, Claudius”.

Subj: Re:Emmy Nom for CTI
Date: 96-08-06 09:32:48 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Geez, how do we get that changed?

Nobody who saw episodes like CTI, C&L, and SOT could not be moved my Mira and know that she was deserving of a nomination. Or Claudia Christian, for that matter (Divided Loyalties, among others, comes to mind…)

Of course, I know, I know, they didn’t SEE those episodes. But it’s still unfair!

So much for a little summertime venting !

— barb

Subj: Gracious & Down to Earth
Date: 96-08-06 14:50:39 EDT
From: Minbari1
Posted on: America Online

Ok, Eqris, JJordnRoss, et al. Here’s my Mira experience story.

A year ago March I flew back to Maryland to see Mira at Vulkon. I live in Lost Wages (read: Las Vegas) now, so it was a big thing for my to fly back ‘home’ “just for a con.” … A little back info – I work for Cirque du Soleil on “Mystere” – the permanent show at Treasure Island.

I spent long laborious hours making a ‘bear’ of Delenn for Mira, just because I wanted to give her a little something. Yes, it goes w/out saying that I’m nuts (& nuts about Mira – what a great lady!) I called it “Bearlenn, the Minbeari Ambassador.” When I finally got up to the table for an autograph, I pulled it out of the bag & told her that this was a little something that I made for her, & that I hoped she liked it. The look on her face was priceless, a true Kodak moment (which my best friend got on film.) She loved it. In the card w/the Bearlenn, I also invited her & Goran to come see my show in Vegas if they ever got out this way. She said that she’d seen a couple of the Cirque shows that were on tour & that she loved them, & looked forward to seeing “Mystere.”

So I flew back to Vegas, not really expecting to hear from her… at least for a while. Well… a month later I come home from work & check my messages on my machine. Imagine my surprise to hear a cheerfully lilting voice saying, “This is Mira…” That made my YEAR to say the least. We finally made arrangements, & the night of the show, I met her & Goran outside the show room. (I’d recognize her ANYWHERE!) What a wonderful couple they are!

I had a l’il pkg of show stuff for them, then showed them into the showroom. After the show, we did a tour of backstage, the grid & of course Wardrobe (where I work.) As we came in, there was a life cast of me on a shelf… I said that I was familiar w/what she’d had to go thru on that end. She grinned… a process I’m sure she’d like to forget.

Since I had to do another show & there wasn’t enough time to go for a drink, they invited me to lunch a few days later. What a wonderful time I had talking to Mira & Goran! About B5, showbiz in general, & life in general. While giving the backstage tour, I had accidentally said that we (cast & crew) don’t get comp tickets (our show is PRESOLD about 97% and up most of the time). She shook her head & kept saying, “No, no…” She couldn’t believe I bought the tickets. I said, not to worry. She’s shared so much w/the fans, & this was my way of saying thank you. Well… at the end of lunch (their treat – THANX AGAIN!) she gave me a check to cover the price of the tickets. This time I was stunned.

They had to get to the airport to go home, so we dropped off their car & I took them to the airport. All I can say is that Mira & Goran are a very gracious and down to Earth couple. If you ever get to spend some time w/them, you’ll discover even more things about Mira you like & admire. What a wonderful human being, & professional.

Needless to say… ANYTHING that Mira is in, I will support & hopefully get to see. Just for that she should get an award!

There’s my ‘C’ note on the subject.
Sorry if I rambled on too much.

Marti (M1)
=)
<*>

Subj: Re:Gracious & Down to Earth
Date: 96-08-06 18:13:06 EDT
From: LWC123
Posted on: America Online

Hi,

What a nice posting! Ms. Furlan sounds like a lovely person. Thanks for sharing your experience. I just wish I could see Cirque du Soleil. They toured my area in October, but I had scheduling conflicts and wasn’t able to attend. I’ve seen partial tapes of them on tv, and the shows are wonderful.

Subj: Re:Fantasticon
Date: 96-08-06 23:49:38 EDT
From: Khemara CV
Posted on: America Online

Mira was WONDERFUL! She signed autographs for quite awhile before the casts on-stage appearance, and then came back with Bill Mumy to sign afterwards (no one else did)

Speaking of Mira & Bill, they have quite a mutual admiration society going. Bill was given an award on Saturday night at the “Big Dinner” and Mira was the only other B5 cast member to be there. On Sunday when Mira was introduced onstage, Bill gave her a standing ovation. It’s really a wonderful thing to see the genuine affection they have for each other….

Subj: Re:Fantasticon
Date: 96-08-07 03:54:52 EDT
From: MjrKiraA
Posted on: America Online

Pat Tallman(Lyta Alexander) and Julie Catlin Brown(Na’toth) from B5 were also at the “Big Dinner”

alissa
who was also there

Subj: Mira Furlan and AOL
Date: 96-08-07 23:38:35 EDT
From: LWC123
Posted on: America Online

I’m new to AOL (3 days) and was scrolling through older messages when I saw a reference to Ms. Furlan having visited AOL. Was this some sort of chat session? Are transcripts available for downloading? If so, how does one go about downloading them? Can anybody help me with this? I’m still having trouble finding my way around AOL.

Thanks for any help. I think Ms. Furlan is a wonderful actress, but don’t know much about her and am trying to catch up.

Subj: Query:
Date: 96-08-08 00:01:33 EDT
From: ACME BUYER
Posted on: America Online

I keep hearing references to the effect alcohol has on Minbari. What effect is it?

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan and AOL
Date: 96-08-08 03:42:16 EDT
From: MjrKiraA
Posted on: America Online

There is a transcript avalible for downloding of the Mira Furlan chat session in ‘Special Transmissions’ (Main Screen scroll box) under ‘Live Chat Transcripts’. Hope this helps.

alissa
Subj: Re:Gracious & Down to Earth
Date: 96-08-08 10:29:57 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

WOW!

What a great story. You are one lucky person!

Thanks for sharing it with us.

— barb

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan and AOL
Date: 96-08-08 10:32:25 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Take a look at the Mira Furlan home pages (there are a few) for her bio and acting/award credits. And read the chapter on her in The Balkan Express.

You can download the text of the AOL q&a with Mira. It’s also available (I believe) on the web pages.

— barb

p.s. welcome!

Subj: Re:Query:
Date: 96-08-08 20:30:51 EDT
From: ShePsych
Posted on: America Online

<<I keep hearing references to the effect alcohol has on Minbari. What effect is it?>>

Very small amounts make them extremely violent–I think the first season ep “The Quaity of Mercy” (if that’s the one where Lennier & Londo go “clubbing.”) described their reaction as “homicidal rage.”

Wouldn”t you love to go to one of their frat parties? 😉

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan and AOL
Date: 96-08-09 08:40:04 EDT
From: LWC123
Posted on: America Online

Thanks for the help. I already found and downloaded the chat transcript from AOL. I haven’t been out on the Web yet, but should be venturing out there in a few days. I’ll be sure to look for these sites you mentioned. And thanks for the “Welcome”. It’s great to be here!

Linda

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan and AOL
Date: 96-08-09 18:42:54 EDT
From: PICABALALA
Posted on: America Online

Be sure to join the Mira Fan Club. Contact Eqris via E-Mail if you are interested. Join us in the Eclipse cafe. I have alot of fun & share thoughts, ideas and questions. Some cast & crew drop in from time to time too. Welcome Aboard !!

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan and AOL
Date: 96-08-09 19:13:03 EDT
From: LWC123
Posted on: America Online

Thanks for the welcome. Already sent in the paperwork for the MF Fan Club. When are chat sessions scheduled?

Subj: Re:Delenn’s Headbone
Date: 96-08-10 13:55:28 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

I always though any changes were represntative of continuing change.

yeah, that sounds good…

Jackie<*> Boo
Temporary address: <songsilver@aol.com> ATTN : Jackie
Subj: Looking for Jackie<*>??
Date: 96-08-10 21:56:13 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

Hi. Email problems.Ii can be reached temporarily at <songsilver@aol.com>, with TO JACKIE in the subject field. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Jackie<*> Boo, usually jjordnross

Subj: Re: Sinclair v. Sheridan, CTI
Date: 96-08-11 16:17:26 EDT
From: Luna457954
Posted on: America Online

I don’t agree that Sinclair was meant to become A romantic interest for Delenn. It’s obvious he was meant to be Valen. Also, when *I* watched CTI, I thought the role was so completely written for Sheridan. Just my .02!

Subj: Re:Delenn Assertive Again
Date: 96-08-11 16:19:53 EDT
From: Luna457954
Posted on: America Online

Did you see her break up the Grey council, and do you remember when she broke the staff and all those flames? Pretty assertive, if you ask me.

Subj: Re:Who are you?/Inquisitor
Date: 96-08-11 16:23:39 EDT
From: Luna457954
Posted on: America Online

according to the lurker’s episode guide, there IS no right answer to that question. I believe that The Great Maker Himself said that.

Subj: Re:Past acting work
Date: 96-08-11 16:27:23 EDT
From: Luna457954
Posted on: America Online

Mira’s from Bosnia. She left after she was verbally attacked by the croats for refusing to take sides, and dismissed from the Croatian nat’l Theater. She has won several Oscar-equivalents in her own country. The paralells to Delenn are uncanny.

Subj: Re:Clans?
Date: 96-08-11 16:31:19 EDT
From: Luna457954
Posted on: America Online

Lennier is religious. Does your face or hair look the same of the next person in your social class? Caste does not equal race. I think there is only one race of Minbari, however, I could be wrong. Also, the other class is worker.

Subj: Re:Delenn lost a few guts
Date: 96-08-11 16:36:43 EDT
From: Luna457954
Posted on: America Online

Sheridan, as we have seen, is a great tactitian, and Delenn is a diplomat. She is the peacemaker, he the soldier. What a concept!

Subj: Re:Past acting work
Date: 96-08-12 00:10:56 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

>Mira’s from Bosnia. She left after she was verbally attacked by the croats for refusing to take sides, and dismissed from the Croatian nat’l Theater. She has won several Oscar-equivalents in her own country. The paralells to Delenn are uncanny.<

One major correction: Mira is from the city of Zagreb, which is now Croatia (unless they changed borders again). Her husband, Goran Gajic, is from Belgrade in what is now Serbia. However, if you read what she says in interviews, she NEVER refers to where she lived by current names of the “new” countries. She ALWAYS refers to the land of her birth as “the former Yugoslavia.” It seems she refuses to even acknowledge the results of the war.

Jackie <*> temporarily residing at Songsilver@aol.com

Subj: Re:Delenn lost a few guts
Date: 96-08-12 19:56:47 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

>>She is the peacemaker, he the soldier. What a concept!<<

The two halves becoming one…

— barb

Subj: Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-13 00:11:47 EDT
From: LLOOFF
Posted on: America Online

First, let me sing the praises of actress Mira Furlan. Her Delenn is my hero. Can anyone forget the “be somewhere else” speech! I’ve used it a couple of times at work!!!

Now for business: Can anyone explain the dropping of the snowglobe? Does it have some hidden meaning? symbolism? Have I missed something?

Subj: Re:Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-13 02:12:58 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< Can anyone explain the dropping of the snowglobe? Does it have some hidden meaning? symbolism? Have I missed something? >>

I assume the significance of the snowglobe will be explained in the episode in which the events actually occur. Remember, what we saw was Delenn’s brief experience of a FUTURE event, which will happen in one of the “final five” episodes of season 3. Perhaps the snow globe is a special gift from somebody to somebody else, or represents something that gets discussed in the episode.

However, I will hazard this symbolic connection: In his second-season voice-over, Sheridan described Babylon 5 as “a shining beacon in space, all alone in the night.” The snow globe contains a small reproduction of a light house, which is a shining beacon, all alone in the fog. Perhaps the light house represents Babylon 5, and the hope that may come from the army of light in the coming darkness.
Subj: Mira’s Father?
Date: 96-08-13 10:41:07 EDT
From: Davida TN
Posted on: America Online

While speaking at last year’s Marcon, Mira mentioned that her father was still living about 40 miles outside Zagreb — at that time far enough away from the conflict. She was concerned because he didn’t have a phone and that she could not keep in touch with him as she would have liked. Does anyone know his status? It must be hard for her to be so far away from her father…and her former country, Yugoslavia. Thanks for the info!

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father?
Date: 96-08-13 12:26:03 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

In the brief autobiography that she wrote a just a few months ago for the new-member packet for her fan club, she described her father in much the same way that you remember. It sounds like he’s still doing the same thing.

Subj: Re:Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-13 14:00:38 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

back in june, in the Sherdian/Delenn board, several of our top thinkers (ShePsych, Mythopile and It’s a Myth, Cambutcher and Amber) tackled the snowglobe.

it’s well worth poking over there and seeing what they said. all topic heading snowglobe.

ShePsych did the hottest evaluation, quite spectacular

sometimes I wish they had a master thread setup so that when various topic boards are covering the same thing, they can all be consolidated so you don’t have to run all over the place to find out what has been said.

Subj: stuff on Delenn
Date: 96-08-13 14:02:36 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Hi,

I generally hang out at the Sheridan/ Delenn board, but I’ve visited here occassionally. For those of you who enjoy good discussions on Delenn and/or John, at the John & Delenn webpage (run by Brent Barrett) there are several articles written by fans (no story ideas, all completely based on episodes) about the characters individually and as a couple.

www.speedlink.com/bbarrett/B5/

these are final versions of postings or articles once on our AOL boards. Brent does a *wonderful* job of adding great photos (GIF files) to the articles! for those who can’t reach the web site, I’ve added the e-mail address, where applicable, to contact the authors about copies.

Pilgrim Soul: The Emotional Development of Delenn (Delenn’s emerging human emotions, and her personality characteristics that suggest she may be a descendant of Valen)

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father?
Date: 96-08-13 22:03:24 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

I have been thinking about this all day long. I never grew up during a war or felt cut off from family or friends because of a war (other things yes), but many, many people have and it’s painful. Someone once told me that through any 6 people we know, we know everyone in the world. Now, IMHO, we’re a very ingenious people, so why can’t we find a way to help her reach her dad if she needs to? wouldn’t that be a nice gift? first of all, we have to know, does she *still* have a real problem reaching him, then where is he (what his name is helps) and then how to get a hold of him (short-wave, internet, phones).

I don’t have a lot of resources, but I’m great on ideas and if anyone else out there who is really serious about this wanted to check this out, e-mail me!

Subj: Mira’s Father
Date: 96-08-14 00:15:29 EDT
From: OwlGrandma
Posted on: America Online

BarrieJ,

The idea does you credit, but use caution — it may be he is able to live where he does because many do *not* know how to reach him. Just a thought, and my sympathies are with you — and her.

OwlGma

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-14 02:11:09 EDT
From: DRebel6024
Posted on: America Online

I am a new devotee of B5, and a big fan of Ms Furlan, and Ms Christian. I will be attending the convention in PA with a friend. We are going to meet “Delenn” mainly, although seeing a few Trek people never hurts, but also we are going to try to pick up B5 merchandise that we can’t seem to find ANY WHERE. Any comments or suggestions?
Hope to “see” a lot of you there.

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father
Date: 96-08-14 03:39:29 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

<<Subj: Mira’s Father
Date: 96-08-14 00:15:29 EDT
From: OwlGrandma

BarrieJ,

The idea does you credit, but use caution — it may be he is able to live where he does because many do *not* know how to reach him. Just a thought, and my sympathies are with you — and her.>>
I agree with the post copied. While I haven’t been on the ground in Croatia, it might be possible to get communication thru some means. Perhaps one of the troops in the region is a long lost B5 fan. The problem is once the troops or whomever made contact leaves their very presence or effort singles the gentleman out to any interested party in the area. While for several reasons – neither here nor there – I can sympathize, empathize with Ms. Furlans concern, it makes no sense getting her in contact with her father, if by doing so we get him killed in the process.

The sentiments expressed on these boards are noble, and bring credit to those who share them, however let us be realists. We are talking an unstable situation at best. Let us not rush in in our desire to help and instead do irreparable harm.
Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-14 10:49:05 EDT
From: LLarson10
Posted on: America Online

Unlike The Trek Franchise, with its prolific assortment of merchandise, Babylon 5 has been more conservative. Which is just FINE..some of the Trek stuff is pretty kitschy, well, a lot of it is, IMHO. I HOPE never to see B5 boxer shorts, for instance…
There are some nice B5 t-shirts available (the coolest one, imo again, has a large blue 5 with pictures of the main cast within that 5.). Also look for B5 comics (if you happen upon B5 comic #1, snare it if the price isn’t too bad..oh, and there have been 11 comics published so far); B5 collectors cards by Fleer; cast photos; B5 micromachines; B5 cap; and, hmmm..there are a
few more things. I think any pins and/or patches that you happen across are illegal, so stay away from them. Perhaps, someone else can mention anything I’ve forgotten. Have fun!

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-14 20:03:29 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Re: LLarson’s previous message….
I think you covered it for B5 merchandise. There are no “official” pins, patches, or videos yet, if you see them at a con they are not licensed. JMS has said that the B5 fan club may start to sell those items in the future.

I will be at the Valley Forge con for both days, and I hope I will have a chance to meet most, if not all of the Delenn lovin’ online group. I will be there with Jackie Ross, B5 fan supreme, and we will be handing out B5 name tags that she has made on her computer. Come find us and get a tag! We want Mira to know she is surrounded by fans!
Hope to see you all there!

Cristina
<*>

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-14 20:30:42 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Cristina and Jackie

HAVE A BLAST! Wish I could be there with you!

— barb

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-15 01:13:26 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

Hi there! Look for me in Row “N” of the reserved area. I will hopefully have jumpgate patches <*>; there isn’t much else I can suggest in the way of merch because very little has been released. Beware bootleg stuff…

Lots of B% fans coming to see Mira. I am so glad!
<*> Jackie

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-15 01:16:41 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

> I will be there with Jackie Ross, B5 fan supreme,<

Why, thank you, Cristina! 😀

Jackie<*> Boo (Row N at the VF con)

Subj: Re:Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-15 01:26:38 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

<< Can anyone explain the dropping of the snowglobe? Does it have some hidden meaning? symbolism? Have I missed something? >>

Here’s one I haven’t seen around, but hit me right away.

Timing.

The last episode of the season is always set at the end of December. Snowglobes are a popular gift at that time of year, and even though there are no seasons on B5 (established in LAST year’s season closer), some humans would be sentimental for snow, hence the availability of a gift item like a snowball.

If Sheridan (or Delenn) purchased a snowball near the winter holidays, this would date her vision to a december date in the future. We can assume it will be the same year.

This is a big stretch, I know, but go try and find a winter scene snowball now, in August.

<*> Boo

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-15 04:46:33 EDT
From: MjrKiraA
Posted on: America Online

I wish I could be there, but it’s a long haul from California to there and money is one thing I don’t have right now. Besides I saw Mira at Fantasticon a few weeks ago and had a chance to talk with her. I let her know that I love being a member of her fan club and that seemed to draw an extra smile out of her. I’m glad to hear that so many of her fans are going to see her and since I can’t be there in body I will be there with all of you in spirit. Have fun!!!

—there a some great bumper stickers out there if you can find them, they’er probably bootleg but some of them a really funny, if you understand them.

alissa :)

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-15 19:50:48 EDT
From: LLarson10
Posted on: America Online

Re: the pins and patches being illegal comment I made uptopic. One design is legal and it was just mentioned in a message: the jumpgate pin and, apparently patches of the design are now being made. I haven’t seen one but it is modeled after the ascii design of <*> It’s legal as there is nothing on the show like it but it still signifies Babylon 5..at least in the minds of online fans…

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-15 21:58:26 EDT
From: LWC123
Posted on: America Online

I’ll be there, too. Hope to see some of you there.

Linda

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father
Date: 96-08-15 22:58:47 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

She did mention in an interview a while back that her father had come to visit her once, I think during the first season when she was still in the heavy makeup, which he thought was strange. So she does have some contact with him somehow; even if it’s not as much as she wants she’s not completely cut off. :)

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father
Date: 96-08-16 00:17:30 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

We concur Drifter. Having consideration for the safety of Mira’s father is central. It is up to Mira to ask us for support on this if she needs it, not for us to go barging in and jeopardize a loved one of this beloved actress. Don’t anyone be foolish.

Subj: Mira’s Father-Not our place
Date: 96-08-16 04:42:51 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

Ms. Furlan would have a much better idea of the situation in her homeland than most if not any of us. She would know among other things her fathers name, last address, the people likely to be in charge of whatever area and maybe even their phone numbers. Obviously she would speak the language, and know local customs. She would likely have friends and relatives in the area that we know nothing about, perhaps from the university or someone from the Croation Theater whatever who didn’t abandon her.

She hasn’t asked for our help. While she cannot call him on the phone is there mail service even marginally reliable. A simple letter thru or to whatever embassy is appropriate might at least tell her his status. She would know this. She does have resources available to her. Out of respect for her, the noble thoughts of many expressed here should remain just thoughts. If and when she does ask for our help that is another story.

The religious among us might choose to keep her and her homeland in their prayers. Something tangible we can do, that I am certain she would appreciate, is to support her work here. She has many loyal fans on these boards and if producers and directors know this her considerable skills might become all the more desirable to them. The woman does after all have to make a living, Without a loyal audience it would be very difficult for a performer in any medium.

 

Subj: Re:Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-16 11:59:06 EDT
From: SLV80
Posted on: America Online

<< If Sheridan (or Delenn) purchased a snowball near the winter holidays, this would date her vision to a december date in the future. We can assume it will be the same year.>>
Perhaps it was a gift from Delenn to Sheridan. SInce it is a scene reminiscent of Earth, maybe he was feeling homesick, and she was trying to cheer him up. Or maybe it was a Christmas/Hannuka(sp?)/whatever gift, another attempt by Delenn to learn earth customs. Or maybe I have much too much imagination and reruns are driving me insane. Whatever.
– Lynne

Subj: ATTN WEST COAST FANS
Date: 96-08-16 18:16:44 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

There is a big B5/Trek Creation con in Pasadena, CA on November 16-17, 1996.
Mira Furlan and JMS are scheduled to be there.

Subj: Re:Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-16 23:36:08 EDT
From: IcyTundra
Posted on: America Online

In a post somewhere (I’ll see if I can find it), JMS said that the snowglobe was used just to emphasize Delenn’s shock. He asked the prop department to find something that would shatter great on camera and they gave him the snowglobe. Simple as that.

Subj: Re:Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-17 11:32:51 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

>>find something that would shatter great on camera and they gave him the snowglobe. Simple as that.<<

Yeah, but we have to have SOMETHING to talk about during this long, dry (lack of B5) summer :)

— barb

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-Not our pla
Date: 96-08-17 20:51:43 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

Drifter: Well said, I agree completely. She has as many resources as any of us do, and more. Our job is to support her by supporting her work. :)

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-Not our place
Date: 96-08-18 03:22:58 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Drifter,

I agree with everything you say. My initial concern had come from observations by others that she *did* have some concerns about keeping in contact with him. When you, like I, have aging parents who live a long distance away, you worry about them. I’m glad if he could come and see her, that’s a good sign.

And I’m sure with JMS around he’s got the know-how to help. but I don’t think it’s wrong to want to help, provided you “dont barge in” and I wasn’t suggesting that. As it is, I’ve passed the question to the head of her fan club, whom I think is in the appropriate position to know and make proper inquiries (as far as my relationship to B5 goes, since i’m not in the league of JMS or honchos in govt, etc).

As JMS has said, B5 is creating community all over the world. I consider this a growing community and to some extent, relate to some people here as if they were (and they are ) friends and family, even though I’ve never met them and may never meet them. Part of community is being available for one another; some people are better at asking or giving than others; and also being willing to help when we can. I’d rather be part of a group that *cares* enough to do more than pray (and I’m not against prayer, I do that too) and are willing to act or to offer. In my experience, talk is cheap (and there’s lots of that), and actions do speak louder than words. that’s what happened in Yugoslavia, the world talked “oh how terrible,” but wouldn’t get involved, even when asked. It happens in LA, it happens whenever we get too alienated and then when someone does ask for help or even if they don’t ask but you know something might not be quite right, nobody does anything because they think, someone else will do it better.

The caliber of the giving requires knowing how to offer help in a gentle and loving way without overwhelming the other, being an intruder, or offering inadequate help. Yeah, I can feel stupid about offering help/ideas, whatever, when she has JMS and God knows who else to help her, what am I, but some blathering idiot, right? but you never know unless you make the effort. we all learn and keep learning this all our lives.

barrie

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-Not our pla
Date: 96-08-18 04:49:01 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

<< Yeah, I can feel stupid about offering help/ideas, whatever, when she has JMS and God knows who else to help her, what am I, but some blathering idiot, right? >> WRONG!!

Barrie – You aren’t wrong to want to help, or to have a community, or to care about people in need. Members of a community should care about each other, be able to see need and be available at times to help meet it. Motives do matter, but there’s also the matter of method. I do know what it is to live in a foreign country, and I do know what loss and isolation mean. Expressing your concerns wasn’t wrong, I never meant to imply that. I agree – there are times when prayers and good intentions aren’t enough.
I’ve seen times, disaster situations, where as you mentioned direct coordinated action is necessary. I will never forget how following the Mexico City earthquakes of 1985 I saw the world community come together and do what they could for a people in need. Let’s leave my story there – it’s irrelevant beyond that point. Let me say however that I think we are in basic agreement, and while I have never met you, you sound like a caring person with a big heart. You also have the ability to see reason, the combination making you the kind of person the world needs more of.

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-Not our pla
Date: 96-08-18 19:11:05 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

It was a very kind thought, and I’m sorry if any of my responses came across as unfriendly. They were not intended as such.

Subj: Info on Mira’s Dad
Date: 96-08-18 21:56:48 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Hello everyone! For those of you who have no idea who I am, my name is Cristina, and I am the president of Mira Furlan’s sanctioned fan club. I have been watching the posts about Mira’s father with quite a bit of interst, and I recently passed those messages on to her. She asked me to pass the following on to all of you….

Please do not post false information or messages containing unverified information about Mira Furlan. There is no truth in the information regarding her loss of contact with her father. Also, the email address posted on America Online is now invalid, and should no longer be used.

She does appreciate the fact, however, that so many of you were willing to offer her your assistance. She has said it before, and she will say it again, the sci-fi fans are truly wonderful people!

So, that’s about it! Thanks again everyone, for caring!
BTW, my friend and MFFC member Inga Harwood has sent me a summary of “Walkabout” …send me a message if you want spoilers!

Cristina
<*>

Subj: Re: Valley Forge Conv.
Date: 96-08-19 03:32:56 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

I’ll be in Row N reserved, both days!
Jackie<*>Boo

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-Not our pla
Date: 96-08-19 03:44:38 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

>what am I, but some blathering idiot, right? but you never know unless you make the effort.<

No, not a blathering idiot. Someone who cares a LOT. It’s touching, heartwarming, and I am sure Ms. Furlan will be pleased to know her fans on this side of the pond care so much.

We know:
Before anyone offers help to anyone in any situation, it’s generally a good idea to ask, “do you need help?” Doing so helps them avoid embarressment and keep their dignity if they need help, or to graciously decline and still save face. I liken it to the cutom of never touching a blind person until you tell them you are going to do so. You can really startle the heck out of someone by suddently “helping” where there really wasn’t a problem.

But, everyone, please remember, as this thread gets ground to a pulp…What Barrie has offered to do is exactly the opposite of what Mira’s “fans” and “friends” did to her in the former Yugoslavia. If anything, she will now be reminded of what caring, special people we are in the western world, what great folks sci fi fans are. We get bashed a lot for no reason, as Americans and as sf fans. Barrie is exactly the kind of person who smashes that stereotype.

It’s not a crime to think rashly with one’s heart instead of with one’s head.

Jackie<*> Boo

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-Not our pla
Date: 96-08-19 17:51:47 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Well said, Jackie, well said.

— barb

Subj: Mira’s Father-My last word?
Date: 96-08-20 02:03:47 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online
.<<What Barrie has offered to do is exactly the opposite of what Mira’s “fans” and “friends” did to her in the former Yugoslavia. >>

<<There is no truth in the information regarding her loss of contact with her father.>>

< I am sure Ms. Furlan will be pleased to know her fans on this side of the pond care so much.>

First I am glad to see verified information posted regarding the contact situation, stated concerns etc. regarding Ms. Furlan and her familly. The president of her sanctioned fan club did relay her appreciation for the outpouring of concern. Whatever happenned in Yugoslavia, however many friends and colleagues may have turned against her – she has fans here who care about her. I feel certain that none of us would wish to embarrass her or her familly by unnecessary and perhaps unwelcome intrusion.

I don’t fault anyone for caring about people. Nor did I see one post on the subject of Mira’s father lacking in support – of one form or another for the woman we affectionately know
as Ambassaador Delenn of the Minbari. That too is gratifying. As BarrieJ posted on the 16th we have differing perspectives on any situation based on our own training and experience. While we approach problems from different and sometimes apparently divergent angles, our goals remain the same. They are analogus to choosing a trip route – remember the old expression all roads lead to Rome. That doesn’t make any of them necessarilly wrong – just different. The ideal solution to any problem isn’t usually obvious. Some can be relieved by a well intentioned friend, others require a trained specialist. Other than in a true emergency, which this did not appear to be there is usually time to ask a few questions. Get the facts, check the layout etc – find out for sure or as best possible what the situation really is. It also helps to know your own abilities and resources before running where angels fear to tread.

There is a lesson here for all of us, the lives of the charactors are open for wide speculation.
Spirited differences of opinion, discussed without malice, keep these boards interesting. Whether our opinions, concerns or whatever regarding the charactor – are proven right or wrong no harm is done.
When it comes to the real life actors, or posters, or others in our lives for that matter all of us have a responsibility to seek verification before repeating even our deepest felt concerns.

To sum it up when in doubt – check it out

Subj: Snowglobe
Date: 96-08-20 11:26:18 EDT
From: Mikabusky
Posted on: America Online

Another twist on that subject… ever see “Citizen Kane?”

“Rosebud.”

‘Nuff said.
<g>

 

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-My last word?
Date: 96-08-20 12:52:21 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Drifter and I have stirred up an interesting disussion here, about how to respond to stressful situations, whether they be psychological or terrible disasters and the damage that can be done when aid is not appropriate or does not even exist! I would like to end all of this on an upbeat note. Some of you might think we digressed from the purposes of this board, but not really. The essential core of this topic is resiliance, spirit and compassion, important human traits we all have and which Delenn admired. Those traits are vital under the circumstances we have discussed.

consider this: Delenn’s resiliency in the face of: a massive physiological transformation; the mental torture by Sebastian; her kidnapping by psychotic killers; an interrogation and perhaps physical torture on Centauri Prime. She doesn’t loose her central core of who she is, she doesn’t stop being the warm and endearing person, her self-esteem or dignity, nor does she become cynical, brittle, fearful or a victim. Consider how she doesn’t give up seeing herself as useful (remember she was a world leader used to making things happen) after helplessly watching thousands of people die (Confessions) and being unable to do anything more than wrap them in blankets. Yeah, she could have stayed in her quarters and prayed for them, but she chose to be with them. This resiliancy is as quality Delenn admired in humans in year one (Babylon Squared “Hurt them and they come back stronger” she said), and this courage and inner strength is what so many of us hope both John and Delenn will have as the Shadows exact a “price” from them and that they will not be cowed or broken in spirit. Wiser perhaps, but able to continue in the world and act in both a wise and loving manner without any diminishing of the wonderful qualities we so admire in them, without fear of personal safety, without fearing to help or recieve help, without the disintegration of personality that sometimes comes from great tests.

THIS is the caliber of living that I’m talking about. THIS is the way we need to be in the world with one another. Of course, we don’t live on Babylon 5, but we can create it, in our own lives and homes, in our own cities and countries if we just try, a little bit at a time.
Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-My last word?
Date: 96-08-20 12:56:00 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

thanks guys, for your positive thoughts and thanks Cristina, for verifying the facts for us.
barrie

Subj: Re:Mira’s Father-My last word?
Date: 96-08-20 19:12:47 EDT
From: LynnRAllen
Posted on: America Online

Well said Barry.

Subj: Valen’s decendant?
Date: 96-08-20 19:16:02 EDT
From: ShePsych
Posted on: America Online

There’s been some on-going speculation about the possibility that Delenn could be Valen’s decendent. A nice idea, that would certainly be a kind of symmetry, but JMS recently said on-line that Valen had no decendants. Too bad.

Subj: Re:Valen’s decendant?
Date: 96-08-20 23:07:00 EDT
From: KaylieWlkr
Posted on: America Online

>>There’s been some on-going speculation about the possibility that Delenn could be Valen’s decendent. A nice idea, that would certainly be a kind of symmetry, but JMS recently said on-line that Valen had no decendants. Too bad.<<

The Great Maker has spoken and that, as they say, is that.

So we’ll just have to find a way around it. 😉

Kimberley
Subj: Re:Valen’s decendant?
Date: 96-08-24 00:12:14 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

>>There’s been some on-going speculation about the possibility that Delenn could be Valen’s decendent. A nice idea, that would certainly be a kind of symmetry, but JMS recently said on-line that Valen had no decendants. Too bad.<<

However, JMS hasn’t said anything about whether *Zathras* had any descendants. Hmm, maybe Delenn’s reluctance to reveal everything she knows comes from a DIFFERENT source…
Subj: Re:Valen’s decendant?
Date: 96-08-24 10:22:08 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Now THAT’s a scary thought !

— barb

Subj: Re:Valen’s decendant?
Date: 96-08-24 11:20:13 EDT
From: CajunFalc
Posted on: America Online

What we *really* have to worry about is when Delenn starts referring to herself in third person. YIKES!!!!!
Catherine

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-24 23:14:15 EDT
From: Tprea
Posted on: America Online

I was at the convention in Valley Forge today. MIri Furlan was polite, smiled a great deal, answered questions, & YES, signed autographs. The only thing I found is that compared to other guests (including the other 2 at the con today as well as guests at other cons) she about as much personality as a doorknob. No offense intended, but what I mean is there was no “animation” to her being on stage. She more or less stood in one spot the entire time & besides her polite smile, there was very little, if any, facial expressions. For lack of a better word, there wasn’t any of the spotaneity (or perhaps joking/horsing around gags) with the audience that other guest so often have. It’s like the only reason she was there was because there’s a clause in her contract for Babylon 5 stating that she must do a couple of cons a year as public relations for the show.
** Please remember this is only my OPINION. **
I’m sure that there are fans of Ms Furlan’s out there who think I’m crazy.

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-25 03:52:13 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online

Could the difference in presentation be cultural ones? I’ve never met Ms. Furlan but have some experience in cross cultural relations. .

In my own experience what you describe the standing quietly etc can be a sign of respect. That the individual is listening attentively etc. – I wasn’t there, and I’ve only ever known a half dozen or so Yugoslavians, mostly Getchayans? (sp) Some used it and some didn’t. My experience only – An Arab expects you to look them in the eye, if you don’t they’ll assume you’re lying. A Mexican offering respect will often stand attentively but look downwards. There are subcultural and gender differences as well.

I don’t know how old Ms. Furlan is – but she is foreign born and cultured diferently into adulthood from ourselves. I do know that in high stress times many of us, including myself, revert to our native culture and language as most familliar. I do know that old habits and conditioning die hard.

Hope this helps.
I

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-25 11:55:18 EDT
From: Tprea
Posted on: America Online

thanks for the response. I’ll take it into consideration the next time Ms Furlan is a guest at con that I go to.

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-25 12:39:33 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Drifter — Wise comments. I agree. While I taught college, I met many students from other countries, including 2 from the former Yugoslavia. There manner was much more reserved than many of their American counterparts.

Some people just aren’t “showy,” but that doesn’t mean they’re not sincere.

— barb

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-25 12:50:11 EDT
From: ACME BUYER
Posted on: America Online

I have several friends from the Country Formerly Known As Yugoslavia, and I have found the stiffness to result from a fear that if they do not listen very carefully, their translation of the English will be incorrect.

Actually, that goes for most people speaking a second language.

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-25 20:01:12 EDT
From: KaylieWlkr
Posted on: America Online

>>The only thing I found is that compared to other guests (including the other 2 at the con today as well as guests at other cons) she about as much personality as a doorknob. No offense intended, <<

Um… “as much personality as a doorknob” was an offensive REMARK, so while it may not have been “intended,” as a fan of Mira Furlan who has met the woman in person, offended I was. There are at least two other terms you could have used (“not very animated” “not as perky and peppy as the native US guests” are a couple that fly right off the top of my head); “as much personality as a doorknob” was *definitely* pejorative.

From what I’ve heard of her history, she has reason to be standoffish with fans. One thing I’ve noticed with ST fans (and was hoping I wouldn’t see among B5 fans, but apparently the two are cut from the same cloth) is their belief that they’re *entitled* to a piece of the actors who play the characters on these shows. It just ain’t so. Nobody MADE Mira do these conventions, it was stated at Fantasticon that the actors do these cons to make contact with the fans and to thank them for being on the other side of the TV screen. I don’t know about anybody else, but the attitude demonstrated by Tprea invariably torques me off (opinion notwithstanding) and I thought I’d delurk for a bit and put in my $0.02 worth on behalf of Mira.

I met and talked with Mira in the autograph line at Fantasticon, and I’ve never talked to anyone behind an autograph table who was sweeter, more animated or personable. I myself speak only one language; bilingual people awe me. I challenge anyone to be “animated” when speaking a language one wasn’t brought up speaking, as well as listening carefully so one doesn’t make a mistake. And we won’t even go into the effect an honest case of nerves might have on the speaker, *whatever* language they’re speaking.

I have two friends who were also at that con. They said that Mira was nervous the first day, MUCH more relaxed the second day… plus they got to have lunch with her. 😀 Sorry, but nobody’s gonna badmouth Mira Furlan in any way shape or form and get away with it while *I’m* around.

Please remember this is only MY opinion.

Kimberley
(yeah, I’m pissed…)
Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-25 21:22:25 EDT
From: Tprea
Posted on: America Online

I just want to reiterate that I did appreciate Ms Furlan taking the time & effort to come to the con. And I do like Babylon 5 very much & the character of Delenn.
I just happen to have my own *opinion* about her personality on stage in front of an audience. I don’t expect everyone, or anyone, agreeing with me. I was just expressing an *opinion.*

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-25 21:40:30 EDT
From: LambyO
Posted on: America Online

I saw Mira on Saturday and thought she was wonderful. She was soft spoken and very polite. She is a lovely woman and I’m certainly glad I made the 2 hour trip to see her. She also told us that B5 will begin filming tomorrow….

Subj: For Tprea RE: Mira
Date: 96-08-25 21:57:30 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

I am sorry you felt Mira had no personality onstage during her recent appearance at Valley Forge…. Unfortunately, she is not like other speakers in that she does not depend on “gags” or “horsing around” when she is making a presentation. She tends to be more of an intellectually oriented speaker; IE: she answers questions in a very honest and straight-forward manner, without resorting to innuendo or vulgarity, and then she thanks each fan for their question.
Of course, a lot of this is a cultural influence. She was not trained in the American “smart-ass” style of speaking, and therefore, I could see where some in this country may find her boring. My suggestion to you would be to skip conventions where she is appearing, and stick with the events that feature more of a MTV style format.
But hey, that’s just MY opinion….

Subj: Support for Mira
Date: 96-08-25 22:05:21 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

For those of you who saw Mira at Valley Forge, or any other con for that matter, please write to Creation and thank them for having her in VF, and ask them to invite her back to the East Coast, or your own local area.
Please write your letters now, because Creation needs to have fan feedback on whether or not to have Mira as a guest again.

Tprea, perhaps you should write to Creation and ask them to hire Beavis and Butthead. I am sure they could tell “gags” and “horse around” enough to keep you entertained….

Creation
530 Riverdale Dr
Glendale, CA 91204
Subj: Re:Support for Mira
Date: 96-08-26 01:28:05 EDT
From: DRebel6024
Posted on: America Online

I am extremely torn, and thought I’d throw in MY two-to-three cents worth. I agree with Tprea only to the extent that Ms Furlan’s delivery was not as flashy and or “entertaining” for lack of a better word as I found Mr. Auberjonois(?) to be. But then, she is NOT him. I do wish that the caliber of questions asked from the fans had been a little better, I do belive she is a very intelligient woman, and was asked some pretty silly things. (IMHO) I found her to be attentive, polite, and giving of herself. She stayed the longest on Sat. signing auto’s I belive, and came back Sun. for the same thing. Would you prefer that she give a nice, funny, entertaining “speech” like Mr Shatner, but NOTHING else for us the fans? I think not.
I for one would have LOVED to have been one-on-one with her, spent time with and been treated as someone “special” by her or any of the guests, but they are people due the same respect we would expect, and we need to remember that.
I am sorry, I think I’m preaching. All I know is I had a GREAT weekend, FINALLY got some B5 stuff, and am happy with that.

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-26 18:16:08 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Kimberley — great 2 cents :)

— barb

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-26 19:37:26 EDT
From: SMPTrek
Posted on: America Online

Having seen Mira here in London at a con back at the end of June, I have to say that perhaps she was not quite so talkative as the other guests but she was still interesting to listen to. If any one has seen Jennifer Lien (Kes fromVoyager) at a con. then they will know how inanimate and inarticulate someone can be. Mira was 1,000 times better.

Personally , I enjoyed Mira’s hour at the con much more than Richard Biggs. Although he started off quite well he got boring quite quickly.

Sandra
Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-26 20:53:12 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Although I didn’t attend, I think i got the gist of the issue here. one thing we need to remember is that there is a difference between being a commedian and a dramatic actor. My little knowledge of Mira is that she’s trained in theater and drama, not comedy. I could never imagine Ingrid Berman, for example as doing comedy. On top of that, I think Mira is probably a far superior actress than Ingrid, whom I’ve always thought of as one of tops of our century! Some people are better one on one than in a group, and I would rather accept her as she is than have her become comedy for our entertainment.

Plus, humor is one of the most complex parts of a language, even for native speakers.

 

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-26 21:57:38 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

> ** Please remember this is only my OPINION. **
I’m sure that there are fans of Ms Furlan’s out there who think I’m crazy.<

Yup, could be!

Boo<*>

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-26 22:25:50 EDT
From: Ivanova111
Posted on: America Online

Here here, Kim, I agree. I saw Mira at her very first convention, and she was amazed at the number of us fans that were willing to spend our money to come and see her.
She was gracious, and handled some very stupid and very personal questions with courtesy and a sense of humor.
Let’s just try to remember that we can all take a lesson from the theme of B5, let everybody be themselves. Enjoy them, encourage them or avoid them, but don’t judge them by your cultural mores. Just a thought. No harm intended.

Subj: Mira Furlan at Valley Forge
Date: 96-08-26 22:31:55 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

Well. I read it all. Just when I thought I had heard everything…

I was at this convention; I attended both of Mira Furlan’s sessions. I was in Row N, which is about 20 seats back, plus about 15 feet added in front of the stage. I hear well enough, I can see fairly well.

This is what I perceived.

Mira Furlan projects a powerful, radient warmth that can be seen, heard and felt hundred of feet away. She concetrates very hard on what she is asked and what she is saying; perhaps this is why she does not pace around or gesture wildly or otherwise “entertain” as some put it. She was there to answer questions, not do a song and dance!

Please remember, English is NOT her native language. Although she is impressively fluent, she must try to understand and translate English for each question, and that’s not easy. Also, remember that we speak and understand “fanspeak” much better than she does. The lingo of fandom can be baffling even to the initiated.

There were few questions asked in the sessions that that showed any forthought. During the second session, the audience noise was loud and rather rude, which must have been distracting. It was also opressively hot in the room (why is it every time I attend a Creation event anywhere, the AC is off?). Overall, I think she performed admirably, with grace, intelligence and genuine charm.

Not every actor is a cut-up in real life. Many times Ms Furlan has stated that she thinks practicle jokes are cruel, so you won’t hear those stories from her. She won’t make fun of other people–including her fans. Instead of a comedy routine, she gives you honesty, respect and her full attention. That is a very rare, special gift.

Why do some fans expect actors to always be “on?” Did you come to see another acted character, or did you come to see what she is really like? Are fans so jaded that the actors need to jump through hoops to be entertained? Be fair. What Ms Furlan does at these cons is a lot like having a blind date with 500 people; she has no idea what they will be like, what is expected of her, will it be a success. She carries it off with dignity and finesse.

By the way, nobody _has_ to do anything, ever. She does not _have_ to do cons, she does not have to do anything. Ms. Furlan was there because she wanted to be there. Her fans should be apreciative she cared enough to share two days out of her very busy schedule to be with them!

Jackie Ross <*> (Boo)

Subj: Re: cons
Date: 96-08-26 23:38:51 EDT
From: KaylieWlkr
Posted on: America Online

>>I just want to reiterate that I did appreciate Ms Furlan taking the time & effort to come to the con. And I do like Babylon 5 very much & the character of Delenn.
I just happen to have my own *opinion* about her personality on stage in front of an audience. I don’t expect everyone, or anyone, agreeing with me. I was just expressing an *opinion.*<<

My, my, aren’t we deFENsive! Well, some of us are expressing OUR *opinion* and that *opinion* is your *opinion* stinks!

You really don’t have a bitch coming, Tprea. You insulted Mira and, by extension, her fans. You *expected* some kind of backlash our you wouldn’t have been yammering from the get-go about your *opinion* and people thinking you crazy.

And really, what DID you expect, coming on the *Delenn* board with that?
Kimberley
(yeah, I GOT your doorknob…)
Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley Forge
Date: 96-08-27 01:46:21 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

We were not there, but it sounds like Ms. Furlan has something which U.S. audiences are not used to and sorely need more exposure to: dignity. Even if English were her first language, as we have said it when we saw “Avalon” a while back, that Columbkille brought the “gift of silence” . Part of Mira Furlan’s ability as an actress, which she no doubt brings into her non-stage life is the knowledge that you can say a lot without running off at the mouth. We would rather have an individual of few words who knew how to use them than a sophist do a juggling act with same. It is indeed sad if she was asked a lot of stupid questions-she had to leave Zagreb because of stupidity-we hope this doesn’t lead her to reconsider citizenship on the notion that the Vorlons control out there but the Morons control down here.

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley Forge
Date: 96-08-27 20:01:19 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

AMEN, Jackie!

— barb

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley Forge
Date: 96-08-27 20:02:40 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

What I want to know is why we think being entertaining or trying to be funny means someone was good at their presentation/question answering. I would much prefer being treated with quiet respect, and doing the same.

— barb

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley For
Date: 96-08-27 22:37:14 EDT
From: LWC123
Posted on: America Online

I attended the Valley Forge Creation Convention only because of Mira Furlan’s appearance there. I must say I was not disappointed. I found Ms. Furlan to be a charming, thoughtful guest and gracious about signing autographs for everyone who wanted them. I would happily attend another convention at which she was a guest. In fact, I would venture to say that she is one of the best guests I have ever seen at a convention.

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley For
Date: 96-08-28 00:43:18 EDT
From: AmberH
Posted on: America Online

I missed her at Valley Forge, but did have the honor of seeing her at Toronto Trek last year and she was wonderful. She *is* a quiet, reserved lady – and my friends and I noticed that she has to think about what she’s going to say before she says it – English is *not* her first language and she speaks four others besides! Last year, she also mentioned that as a well known actress in Yugoslavia, she enjoyed a higher level of living than most of the general population and as much as they loved her, they also envied her status. She was subjected to harrassment and what sounded like a possible stalking in her native country – can you blame her for being reserved? Yugoslavia was formerly communist and there is very little privacy. She mentioned that she loved being in America because she had some anonymity and privacy that she previously had not enjoyed. I would rather see someone like her up on a stage talking about her character or her love of theater or her love of the storyline than listen to some windbag actor telling the same off-color jokes and wacky stories or singing folk songs off key time and time again. I don’t know what she was like at Valley Forge, but in Toronto, she *did* react to questions and was very funny, esp. when talking about her love of Delenn’s costumes (and disappointment that not all the new ones would be raw silk) *and* especially when teasing us about a possible romance with Sheridan.

Mira Furlan is truly a lady. If you want “entertainment”, go see Marina Sirtis.

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley Forge
Date: 96-08-28 19:12:53 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Why do some fans expect actors to always be “on?” Did you come to see another acted character, or did you come to see what she is really like? Are fans so jaded that the actors need to jump through hoops to be entertained? Be fair. What Ms Furlan does at these cons is a lot like having a blind date with 500 people; she has no idea what they will be like, what is expected of her, will it be a success. She carries it off with dignity and finesse.
<<<

well said Jackie, very well said, everything you said was right on point!

this is why I think Mira is on of the best things to happen to the acting community in a long, long time. a spectacular lady, and she deserves only the best as far as I’m concerned!

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley For
Date: 96-08-28 19:14:55 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Amber, thanks for your input and I agree with all you said. this is some lady!

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley For
Date: 96-08-28 22:41:09 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

thanks barb!

jackie<*> boo
moving to <jackieross@juno.com> as of 8/28

Subj: Moving…goodbye!
Date: 96-08-28 22:44:23 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

I am sad to say I am leaving AOL. I will have email and mailing list acess only as of today at
<jackieross@juno.com>
If you have trouble reaching me, please send my friend Cheri a note at <songsilver> and she’ll let me know.

Please stay in touch! I need my email!
Best wishes, Jackie<*> Boo

Subj: Fan Fiction
Date: 96-08-28 23:35:46 EDT
From: DrgnPrncs
Posted on: America Online

Just thought some of you here might enjoy some excellent John and Delenn fan fiction. If you haven’t visited Analise Hairabedian’s “Babylon 5 Addiction Page”, then you’re missing something great! It can be found at:
www.verinet.com/~analise/b5/b5.html
Be sure to read the two stories by Analise herself- my personal favorite was “Wasted Time”. This is not ordinary fanfict, she’s really a *terrific* writer!

Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley For
Date: 96-08-29 14:02:17 EDT
From: JVibber
Posted on: America Online

<< Why do some fans expect actors to always be “on?” Did you come to see another acted character, or did you come to see what she is really like? >>

This really depends upon how the actor views the Con appearance. Some actors (Paul Darrow of “Blake’s 7″ comes to mind) treat the Con appearance as a performance. They’re paid for being there, and feel like they should put on a show. And, of course, some of them are just natural “cut-ups.”

Other actors, as you suggested, treat it as an opportunity to be accessible as themselves, instead of as their characters or as a persona. Apparently, Mira Furlan prefers to do this.

And some actors are as much fans themselves as are the fans. Bill Mumy, Mark Hamill, and Walter Koenig fall into this category. In many ways, these are the easiest to talk to, as you can talk about THEIR show or about any other aspect of SF, movies, TV, comics — they have interests in a lot of stuff “fannish.”

Not to say that the “actor as person” isn’t interesting. If you can get YOURSELF past talking only about “fannish” interests, you have an opportunity to meet a fascinating person with a viewpoint you might never have encountered before.
Subj: Re:Mira Furlan at Valley For
Date: 96-08-29 17:44:34 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

good observations Vibber! i like that a lot!

Subj: Delenn
Date: 96-08-31 15:14:51 EDT
From: Lisaabell
Posted on: America Online

IN her Dream Delenn saw John in trouble with Lando

Subj: Re: Mira Furlan at Valley For
Date: 96-08-31 19:13:29 EDT
From: Cherylgunn
Posted on: America Online

A person doesn’t have to be “on” on stage in order to be animated. If you ever sit & watch a group of your friends or even coworkers talking to each other, you will find a WHOLE range of facial expressions, that they “talk with their hands” (ie expressing size, shape, height, etc), & a whole range of body motion/language in order to get their story or point across. And MOST of us DON’T work with actors on a regular bases so these folks aren’t “on” when they are being animated. So saying that Mira Furlan wasn’t animated doesn’t necessarily mean she wasn’t doing an “acting” job on stage, nor does it mean that she needs to be “entertaining” either.

Subj: Delenn
Date: 96-09-01 21:29:16 EDT
From: StevenC195
Posted on: America Online

Mira Furlan who plays the wise Delenn seems to be from Europe. Am I right? What other movies or shows has she done? What is her background in acting. I would appreciate any information on this subject.

Steven Clark

Subj: For Steve, Re:Delenn
Date: 96-09-02 00:03:39 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Mira is originally from the former Yugoslavia, where she was an award-winning actress. She has been in the US since 1991, when she and her husband, Goran, came here to escape the war. She has done much theatre, TV, and film, but not a lot of it is available here. You should be able to find “When Father Was Away on Business,” which was an Oscar-nominated foreign film. She also did a movie for the USA Network, “My Antonia” which you also may be able to find if you look around….
If you ever get a chance to see her on-stage, go! She is a very sweet and gracious lady, and cares a great deal about her fans. If you really want to know more about her, join her fan club! The address is:
MFFC
PO Box 523093
Springfield, VA 22152-9998
Dues are $10 a year, $15 overseas….All new members receive a copy of her resume, a brief autobiography, and 2 3×5 photos. The newsletter is quarterly, and fan contributions are welcome!

Subj: conning (not cunning <g>)
Date: 96-09-04 21:04:10 EDT
From: IluvB5
Posted on: America Online

I had the immense pleasure of seeing Mira at Fantasticon (a truly daunting experience for someone not ‘used to’ cons) and she was very gracious, thoughtful, and I thought, funny in her own way. She does have a quiet dignity, and I, for one, found it refreshing. I loved the other’s cutups on stage (the B5 cast as a whole is a scream), but she seemed to be the ‘calm’ in the storm.

And since I adore Delenn, meeting her in the autograph line was EXTREMELY daunting! I barely snapped a picture, my hands were shaking so hard. But she has a lovely smile, and was very gracious and thanked me, and I don’t even remember what I said to her. My mind is a total blank.

But yes, Mira is a true delight. I’d travel to see her again.
Jenny (wave to Kim!)

Subj: Re:conning (not cunning <g>)
Date: 96-09-05 22:43:19 EDT
From: SongSilver
Posted on: America Online

>But yes, Mira is a true delight. I’d travel to see her again.
Jenny <

Be sure to ask Creation ond others who put on cons to invite her as a guest!

Boo<*>

Subj: Re:conning (not cunning <g>)
Date: 96-09-06 21:09:00 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Glad to hear from you, Boo<*> :)

— barb

Subj: Happy Birthday
Date: 96-09-07 17:08:26 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

Today is Mira Furlan’s birthday; here’s to a good one for her.

Subj: Mira’s letter
Date: 96-09-07 17:31:32 EDT
From: Eiluros
Posted on: America Online

Go to any of the web sites for Mira to read the letter she wrote to the Yugoslav press just before she came here. I just read it and it’s really powerful–don’t miss it.

Subj: Happy Birthday
Date: 96-09-07 23:13:14 EDT
From: CELT56
Posted on: America Online

Happy Birthday to Mira Furlan. For it is those like her who make mankind worth saving. Celt56

Subj: Re:Mira’s letter
Date: 96-09-08 03:41:08 EDT
From: Drifter240
Posted on: America Online
<<From: Eiluros Date: 96-09-07

Go to any of the web sites for Mira to read the letter she wrote to the Yugoslav press just before she came here. I just read it and it’s really powerful–don’t miss it. >>

It took me a while but I found the letter, it is indeed powerful and gives a very personal insight into
the charactor of Mira Furlan the individuaI as opposed the charactor of Ambassador Delenn which she so magnificintly portrays for us. Since it took me about a half hour of digging I found the letter at HTTP://WWW.ODYSSEE.Net~Shaka/MF/Articles/ALTMCC.HTML Her personal life is not for me to speculate on.

I will say that from the sounds of the letter, this compassionate, multitalented lady arrived on our shores running literally for her life. Our lives are enriched by the level of her talents, the equal to which I do not believe has previously graced a science fiction television series. Sometimes however we forget that behind each charactor there is a flesh and blood human being. Each with a real life complete with the entire gammut of human experience and emotion. The tragedies in my own life do not and could not even begin to compare (and I thank deity for that) with those of Ms Furlan which she has graciously granted us a glimpse of. I feel both humbled and honored by the courage she displays in her openness with us.

May she have a long and satisying life in this her adopted country. May both she personally and the land of her birth one day know true peace.

Subj: Re:Happy Birthday
Date: 96-09-08 16:25:54 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Celt —

who make HUMANkind worth saving 😉

— barb

Subj: Just a Few Comments
Date: 96-09-09 10:51:48 EDT
From: Minbari1
Posted on: America Online

You may have read a previous message of mine re: meeting Mira. First of all, one thing I can say is that I was SO VERY impressed w/her talent & could see a regal, dignified, gracious and beautiful lady amidst her acting. I don’t know the details of what she went through in the former Yugoslavia, but that she got here & had a wonderful chance to share her talents w/the American public is something that I’m very grateful for. Her talents and portrayal of ‘Delenn’ has added a special something that I feel has enriched my life.

Having met her in person, and had the priviledge and honor to have lunch w/her and her husband, Goran, I feel that the comments re: the doorknob, etc. are unwarranted. The American public is *VERY* jaded, and expects entertainment in EVERY area, even, & *especially* w/personal appearances.

During our lunch we talked about a wide variety of subjects, from the personal things we have in common (losing a parent to cancer) to B5 in general and specific. One question I mentioned to her that I felt was one that she seemed to be asked at cons that people didn’t seem to understand was not an appropriate question, as it had no diplomatic answer. (She is a diplomat as well.) It’s the one that asks, “Who do you like better – Sinclair, or Sheridan?” To which she lobbed that question (very diplomatically & subtly) right back to me. I told her that some people viewed Michael O’Hare as stiff at first, but that I found I liked his character right away, and understood both views. Being in show business, when you first start a show, the actor is not very familiar w/the character, & they, themselves are still figuring out & finding out who their character is. I was sad to see him leave, and said that it took me a while to get used to Sheridan, but he is a different character/personality from Sinclair, & that they both have merit and value where they are. The smile on her face was a complex but knowing one. She understood *MY* diplomacy, as well as my understanding of the business, and seemed delighted to be able to talk intelligently about the show, etc. w/someone in the business. She seems to really enjoy & thrive on the one-on-one kind of interaction. I could see her frustration at Vulkon in ’95 w/having to answer some of the same questions that she always gets asked, and questions that are inappropriate &/or just plain stupid (sorry, but there are some people who just manage to do that at cons). For all of these situations, she is gracious, attentive and diplomatic.

I can’t say enough about this wonderful actress and beautiful human being. I thank God that we are graced w/her talents and presence here in the US & on B5. I will support any project she works on, and continue to consider her a friend.

Mira Furlan – lijep i divan gospoda.
That’s Serbo-Croat for a ‘beautiful & wonderful lady.’ And that’s my credit chit’s worth and a bit more.
M1
=)
<*>

Subj: Re:Just a Few Comments
Date: 96-09-09 14:38:29 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online

Thank you very, very much for your wonderful comments about a spectacular lady! I really appreciate them!

happy birthday Mira, I don’t know what you eant for your BD, but may all your dreams come true!

Subj: New FOlder
Date: 96-09-09 16:33:15 EDT
From: B5 Online
Posted on: America Online

Please continue this in the Delenn #2 folder…

This folder will be archived and placed in the Log File Library. :)

Subj: Re:Just a Few Comments
Date: 96-09-09 17:59:38 EDT
From: BPowell170
Posted on: America Online

Minbari 1 —

GOOD ANSWER!

thanks for your comments

— barb

Subj: Re:Just a Few Comments
Date: 96-09-10 17:13:27 EDT
From: Tprea
Posted on: America Online

really touchy people around here.

Subj: Re:Just a Few Comments
Date: 96-09-10 18:45:47 EDT
From: EQRIS
Posted on: America Online

Tprea,
Sorry if you find us too “touchy” for your tastes, but we didn’t appreciate your rather insulting remarks about Ms. Furlan. She is a very sweet, kind and gracious lady, and she didn’t deserve your derogatory comments.
A good rule of thumb to remember….”IF YOU DON’T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!”
Oh, and one more thing, if you want to post inflammatory remarks on a public board, don’t whine when people flame you back….
Subj: Re:Just a Few Comments
Date: 96-09-10 21:23:10 EDT
From: BARRIEJ
Posted on: America Online
Tprea, please keep in mind that 95% of the people on this board and the Sheridan/Delenn board care very much about Mira. There are very few people in the world whose graciousness and sweetness transcends *just* their professionalism and these qualities are an innate part of their personality, and in Mira’s case, have remained unsullied in spite of the ordeals she has experienced. She could have become cynical about people, life, fans, etc, but she didn’t and that’s to her everlasting credit of her own inner courage, strength and wisdom to see beyond the moment.

We also understand the *intent* behind her behavior at the Conventions, her basic warm and giving nature, as those here who know her personally can say. And we make allowances for cultural and language barriers, not only because of her, but because it is a fair and a just thing to do. Mira is of a caliber that we see so rarely in our cynical and unhappy society and all such goodness is appreciated.

I know Mira is quite capable of taking care of herself, but since she’s not here to defend her actions/behavior, whatever, *we’re* very protective of her, *and* will defend her.

So, keep that in mind.

barrie

9/11/96 9:46:34 AM Closing Log file.

 

 

 

 

 

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